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V: "Red Sky" 5/18/10 - Grading & Discussion

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  • Excellent

    Votes: 16 40.0%

  • Above average

    Votes: 13 32.5%

  • Average

    Votes: 8 20.0%

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    Votes: 3 7.5%
  • Total voters
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Snaploud said:
Brent said:
I really liked this episode, it had everything the rest of the season didn't, and a lot of stuff happened, no filler here, good stuff, i wish every ep could be this good.
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I agree. It was a rare winner for the V writers. Though, I think the pastor's speech was a bit uncomfortably worded and timed.

Also, we're back to being even more confused over Anna and V emotions (at least, I am).
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Agreed, the pastors speech wasn't that good, the content wasn't written well and the delivery wasn't handled well, and the timing was not right.

I think Anna is a hypocrite, obviously V's have the capability to experience emotion. I look at their society like a police state of the dysotopia future, think of the movie "Equilibrium" where emotions are outlawed and control over people is a dictatorship, but the dictator is a hypocrite. Anna is feeling a human emotion right now, and this will lead to some kind of discovery about humans on her part as she grows throughout the series. It may be also that more emotions develop from her, and yet she will still hunt down anyone else with emotions, she's a very bad lizard.
 
Daneel said:
So, Erica manages to destroy the egg chamber, Chad gets into the experimentation room apparently unnoticed, Lisa helps Joshua escape from the medical bay... man, security on the V ship must be really crappy! :lol:
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The Vs have all this technology, but the flying orb of death has a video recorder that's worse than a cheap black and white security camera (even though the jacket cams are just fine), and they use paper ID to get aboard the ships. So no cameras anywhere on the ship, being able to wander anywhere (even into restricted areas that require no access codes to enter) and being able to freely talk about resistance plans is just par for the course. It's just a very well thought-out show.
 
Daneel said:
So, Erica manages to destroy the egg chamber, Chad gets into the experimentation room apparently unnoticed, Lisa helps Joshua escape from the medical bay... man, security on the V ship must be really crappy! :lol:
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Maybe they contracted with Starfleet for their security systems. :rommie:

At least someone is showing some interest in the weird phenomenon of emotions causing disloyalty among V's. It should be Erica who is interested but once again, Anna's two steps ahead of her.

Okay, I'm a little fuzzy about this point: Erica sends a message through Chad, who she suspects is Anna's ally, to leave the message in the medical area. Doesn't that point the finger of suspicion at Jacob and his co-workers? How exactly was that a smart plan? Isn't having Jacob working for them a pretty vital advantage that you don't want to toss away lightly?

At least the show had the guts to have Erica shoot Jacob, even if they didn't have the guts to leave him dead, but I'm sure the V's will get all sorts of interesting information from him soon.

As for Anna's emotions, how about this explanation: adopting human guise is causing all the V's to be "poisoned" by human emotions, severing their link to Bliss and causing Anna herself to go off the rails. Yet the human guise was a necessary part of the plan, to lull humans into complacency. So is this a case where some aliens came up with an invasion plan that is now being found to be unworkable?

If so, I can't decide whether that's a stupid premise or an interesting one. It kinda leaves the humans on the sidelines. Doesn't really matter what they do - the battle hinges on the question of whether the V's plan was always doomed to failure.

And I WANTED TO SEE THE DAMN BABY ALREADY!!!!
 
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It is ridiculous that they've gone a whole season without showing us what Visitors look like or explaining anything about what their plan is. Maintaining an air of mystery is all well and good, but if you don't dole out some answers periodically, the lack of payoff frustrates the audience, and it makes it look like you don't have any real idea what you're doing. And I think that's more than just an appearance where this show is concerned.
 
There were so many idiot balls flying around in this episode it felt like a third grade gym class, but on the whole the Vs still come out looking far more competent than the humans.
 
Temis the Vorta said:
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Okay, I'm a little fuzzy about this point: Erica sends a message through Chad, who she suspects is Anna's ally, to leave the message in the medical area. Doesn't that point the finger of suspicion at Jacob and his co-workers? How exactly was that a smart plan? Isn't having Jacob working for them a pretty vital advantage that you don't want to toss away lightly?

At least the show had the guts to have Erica shoot Jacob, even if they didn't have the guts to leave him dead, but I'm sure the V's will get all sorts of interesting information from him soon.
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Pedant alert...
Jacob lives on the mysterious island..Joshua was the Fifth Column dude who got killed...




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and resurrected...Hmmm. Maybe he could be from the island as well... :rolleyes:
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Christopher said:
It is ridiculous that they've gone a whole season without showing us what Visitors look like or explaining anything about what their plan is. Maintaining an air of mystery is all well and good, but if you don't dole out some answers periodically, the lack of payoff frustrates the audience, and it makes it look like you don't have any real idea what you're doing. And I think that's more than just an appearance where this show is concerned.
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Here's another question...what the hell is the name of the Visitor's species? Even V's like Ryan call themselves V's. It's very strange.

And how stupid was it for Erica, who's just managed to convince Anna she's a loyal ally, to appear in a public church sitting next to a wanted terrorist and stand in solidarity with an anti-Visitor sermon? Suddenly the resistance's motivations are as incoherent and mercurial as the Visitors'.
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A few things bothered me about this episode but this was the worst offender of all. Inexcuseable. And I enjoyed the scene too.

Ryan's girlfriend got screwed. What a terrible fate all around.

Totally agree that Morena Baccarin absolutely brought it in the scene when she found out about her eggs.
 
That was one of the WORST cliffhanger endings to a season I have seen. How flippin' pointless. We all know that the Visitor's are going to explain it away in the first five minutes of 201, and being complete dolts the human race en mass will by it.

But what's the frakken point?

They spend eight episodes building up this massive Visitor Fleet and for what? So they can turn the sky a pointless Red? Why not invade? Can you image how cool a cliffhanger ending it would have been if suddenly the New York sky didn't have just one Visitor ship hovering over it, but a dozen?

And on top of it all, we still haven't seen what a Visitor looks like, or the baby for that matter? Why are they holding it back? Do they think we're on the edge of our seats wondering what they really look like? It's not like V is Lost where they can spend six months building up the hatch, blow it up, and leave us wondering whats inside it between seasons, and then have us coming back hanging for more.

Lets face it, I'm surprised that V got a second season, and I'll be 100 times more so if they get a third. They've already retooled the show (what?) twice, and now I'm hearing that they're planning on doing it again between S1 and 2. That doesn't bode well, but heres hoping they can find the missing ingredent durring the down time.

Of course, maybe the mixing x factor is science fiction itself. Why the networks are so afraid of making a sci-fi is beyond me.

That said, it wasn't a bad episode, juts lame ending. Kinda reminds me of the end of the first season of Heroes, and we all know how that ended.

At least they revealed that V actually means Victory in this episode and not Visitor... hearing everyone, including the aliens call the Visitors V's for whole season has been like fingernails on a chalkboard.

Here's hoping for a OG V cameo or two in the next season, or maybe something that harkens back to the old series.
 
Terrible, horrible episode. The scenes seemed like they were spliced together by an editor who was doing speed. Worst opening sequence ever. A soldier roars, eats a deer and then bursts in and kidnaps Val?! WTF!!! And the whole human emotion angle is tiresome. V are more concerned about human emotion then a possible biological weapon being developed against them?! Really?!

The only good thing that came out of this episode is the full blown resistance seems to have finally started. Hopefully next season we get a greater variety of characters along with a greater variety of stories.
 
Temis the Vorta said:
Oh right, I get those names mixed up all the time. Any idea about the logic behind Erica's plan?
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:lol: Logic? What is this logic you speak of? There wasn't any...they painted a bullseye on their ship board allies and got them all skinned!
The Resistance is futile! :evil:

And re, the comments about security, isn't it wonderful that no Visiter was in the security room that Erica stumbled into back in the pilot, with all the floating holo screens tranmitting video from the jacket cams and the ship's corridors? Apparently, they're not connected to a hard drive for playback either. :rommie:
 
cylkoth said:
Temis the Vorta said:
Oh right, I get those names mixed up all the time. Any idea about the logic behind Erica's plan?
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:lol: Logic? What is this logic you speak of? There wasn't any...they painted a bullseye on their ship board allies and got them all skinned!
The Resistance is futile! :evil:
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Yeah, between that and Erica standing up during the sermon, it's clear humanity's resistance has sure scrapped the bottom of the barrel. I think V resistance should just stay away from Erica's group (too much trouble).
 
Greg Cox said:
Christopher said:
(Although my first reaction upon seeing the sky turn fiery red was, "Oh no, does that mean Galactus is on his way?")
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Nah, it clearly means the Crisis on Infinite Earths is upon us.

Red skies are more of a DC Crisis thing . . . .
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I was thinking it was a Red Sun thing to block Superman's powers. I was very disappointed that they didn't show the baby. It just seemed super cheap.

Too bad that Erica's son was in the room with Anna(Erica is the FBI chick, right?). She could have just ran and tossed the blue grenade in the room with Anna. If Supergirl had brought her a V pistol then she could have walked in and wasted Anna and the whole threat would have been neutralized and there would be no more Bliss.
 
I got the feeling last night that Father Travis might be a 'V'.

Any how we get to see what happens next year as V got picked up.
 
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