odd. no one from Central Command for the Enjoyment of Discovery sent me the memo.
STD, Disco, DSC, DIS, I don't care.
Still don't care.
Poll USS Discovery vs USS Orville, which would win?
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STD, Disco, DSC, DIS, I don't care.
Still don't care.
I'm living proof that fans of STD will use whatever contraction they're told not to use, for obvious reasons. The more I'm told not to do something from so-called fans, the more I'm called to do that thing.
That's not how you spell "pearls before swine".
The writing on Discovery is getting better though.
The Orville is from the 25th century, a more advanced ship, obviously. The STD ship is from the 23rd century. Figure it out for yourselves.
That's like asking whether a modern naval ship would win in a battle against a 19th century frigate.
I think the answer is obvious.
The Orville is also a much better looking ship than the STD ship. The Orville is a beautiful, futuristic ship with sleek design. The Discovery does not match it in aesthetic terms either. But that's another matter.
That's like asking whether a modern naval ship would win in a battle against a 19th century frigate.
I think the answer is obvious.
The Orville is also a much better looking ship than the STD ship. The Orville is a beautiful, futuristic ship with sleek design. The Discovery does not match it in aesthetic terms either. But that's another matter.
modern naval ships are that good at close range. if you now have a late 19th century destroyer like hms zephyr just appear out of thin air at point blank range (that is what discovery can do, isn't it?) to an arleigh burke destroyer ...
... i just don't think so
if the looks had anything to do with it the french would have won each and every naval battle
Which one has Wesley on board?
that one wins.
that one wins.
Has there actually been any discussion regarding level of armament on the Discovery and Orville?
Discovery has phaser emitters placed to give it nearly 360' coverage while the Orville's energy weapons can only fire forward and slightly to the side. Torpedo launchers seem to be the constant between the two ships, facing both directly fore and aft.
Then we'd have to get into the difference in torpedo armament, that being that Orville has plasma-based torpedoes while Discovery has antimatter-based ones. Which is better/worse? Who knows. The Romulans like plasma-based disruptors and torpedoes so there is at least some comparison for effectiveness but we also don't know what the yield between the two would be.
You also have the size difference between the ships. Orville is a 7-deck light exploratory vessel (look up her MSD, she's got 7 decks per what's seen on the bridge consoles in the show) while Discovery is a larger experimental testbed ship with standard Starfleet armament.
Honestly, I don't think we have enough points of comparison with verifiable facts like weapon yields to truly compare the two. Are their energy weapons measured in MegaWatts, GigaWatts or TeraWatts? Are the torpedo yields in KiloTons or MegaTons? Is the total absorbtion capacity of their deflectors/shields in the Mega, Giga or TeraWatt ranges? There just isn't enough here to fairly compare.
Discovery has phaser emitters placed to give it nearly 360' coverage while the Orville's energy weapons can only fire forward and slightly to the side. Torpedo launchers seem to be the constant between the two ships, facing both directly fore and aft.
Then we'd have to get into the difference in torpedo armament, that being that Orville has plasma-based torpedoes while Discovery has antimatter-based ones. Which is better/worse? Who knows. The Romulans like plasma-based disruptors and torpedoes so there is at least some comparison for effectiveness but we also don't know what the yield between the two would be.
You also have the size difference between the ships. Orville is a 7-deck light exploratory vessel (look up her MSD, she's got 7 decks per what's seen on the bridge consoles in the show) while Discovery is a larger experimental testbed ship with standard Starfleet armament.
Honestly, I don't think we have enough points of comparison with verifiable facts like weapon yields to truly compare the two. Are their energy weapons measured in MegaWatts, GigaWatts or TeraWatts? Are the torpedo yields in KiloTons or MegaTons? Is the total absorbtion capacity of their deflectors/shields in the Mega, Giga or TeraWatt ranges? There just isn't enough here to fairly compare.
Orville is from the 25th century and Discovery from the 23rd, sure, but they're both from different universes with a different technological timeline.
Orville, for example, doesn't exist in a universe with readily-used transporters. Their shields might not prevent transporter beams. If this is the case, then Discovery has an easy win, since they can just board the ship, or better yet, beam over as many warheads as they can carry.
Orville, for example, doesn't exist in a universe with readily-used transporters. Their shields might not prevent transporter beams. If this is the case, then Discovery has an easy win, since they can just board the ship, or better yet, beam over as many warheads as they can carry.
Well, why compare them then?
Orville also came for a short period of time into possession of a transporter device from the 29th century (in the 5th episode). Orville also has a cloaking device (its shuttles are equipped with a cloaking technology, as seen in ep. 7). So, Orville has probably numerous other advantages, too.
Well, they're going up against a universe that has never really quite figured out the basic innovations of their transporters - wartime/tactical, medical or lifestyle - that it takes any bright viewer two or three episodes to start wondering about. So they don't have a lot to worry about there.
OTOH, we've got folks who can turn a redwood seed into a ship-destroying weapon. Winning!
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Actually, the Orville looks like an aquatic mammal, which makes sense, considering that space is like a vast ocean, similar to the oceans on Earth. Its design resembles somewhat the undersea vessel Seaquest DSV, from the series of the same name. It's a logical and a visually appealing design. The Discovery, however, had a very unattractive design from the very beginning, and it doesn't look that futuristic at all (even the NX-01 looks more futuristic). So, when it comes to ship design, the Orville definitively is a winner.
The Seaquest is an interesting mention, because I just noticed the other day that Orville has something very much like a ship's prow.
I thought Orville was peculiar looking when I first saw it, but watching it fly around enough it's come to look quite graceful. I think I felt the same way about Kirk's Enterprise many decades ago.
I thought Orville was peculiar looking when I first saw it, but watching it fly around enough it's come to look quite graceful. I think I felt the same way about Kirk's Enterprise many decades ago.
The staff discussed this behind the scenes and agreed that we didn't want the Discovery Forum to become inundated with threads about The Orville beyond the original one comparing the two shows. It hasn't become a major issue yet, but by allowing another thread about the Orville it might inspire others to start more.
Besides, this is really kind of a redundant discussion that could be had in the existing DSC vs. Orville thread (even though that's not a technical battle focused thread), these kind of battle threads are not something that can ever actually be resolved, and people are way too sensitive about discussing these two shows here already, so we want to limit it to one thread.
But in order to not close it down or merge a poll with the existing thread, which would be confusing, we're going to move this over to the SF&F forum instead.
Besides, this is really kind of a redundant discussion that could be had in the existing DSC vs. Orville thread (even though that's not a technical battle focused thread), these kind of battle threads are not something that can ever actually be resolved, and people are way too sensitive about discussing these two shows here already, so we want to limit it to one thread.
But in order to not close it down or merge a poll with the existing thread, which would be confusing, we're going to move this over to the SF&F forum instead.
Up to you, you are helping the haters.
This is a pretty strange notion. "Helping the haters" do what, not like the show? Because that's the only thing that the folks you call "haters" are really doing.
it's up to you to decide who helps the 'haters'? and who are those 'haters' anyway?
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