Poll USS Discovery vs USS Enterprise, who wins?
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Nah, I want to see Kirk vs Lorca. Or even a battle of wits over the viewscreen.
KIRK: [Long speech about duty and Starfleet]
LORCA: I don't care.
Cornwell called Discovery the "most advanced" ship in Starfleet, but it's still a science vessel. The spore drive gives Discovery the element of surprise, nothing more. She'd easily be outgunned by a Constitution-class heavy cruiser that sports enough firepower to slag the surface of a planet (TOS: A Taste of Armageddon). And while Discovery may be able to carry out General Order 24, it would be like being pecked to death by a chicken.
Or maybe he only had the two of them, so we've seen the last of them. Associated with him, anyway.
changing my vote from "leaning Enterprise" to "probably Discovery" for this reason:
Discovery had another battle sequence in tonight's episode. They seem like they can handle a fight. They're supposed to be star fleets best weapon against the Klingons. I don't think the writers will make them look weaker than the enterprise. Discovery is probably better in a battle because that's what the writers will want. As time goes on I'm sure most everyone else will change their vote too.
Rumors and fan myths aside, we know basically just three things about the Discovery in combat:
- Can jump in and out of a fight.
- Can make phasers "double hot" and pops Klingon BoPs with single shots that way, but only at the cost of having impulse drive powered down.
- Can fight six Klingon vessels about as well as the Gagarin, that is, not all that well (zero kills, totally loses shields).
Stocker scored no known kills against the swarm of Romulan ships in "The Deadly Years", the closest analogy to this week's DSC fight. But Kirk in command of the same ship could bring single Klingon battle cruisers to their knees. Then again, he could do little about multiple battle cruisers, and Lorca here faced two.
Is the Discovery armed heavily or lightly? She has more guns than the Gagarin (six twin turrets top and bottom vs. four), and more than the Enterprise ever demonstrated, either (six plus six twin turrets is more than either the single one we saw used; the potentially quadruple one we heard discussed in "Paradise Syndrome"; or the port, starboard, amidships and aft phasers mentioned in dialogue - but a creative summing up of all these might give Kirk's ship the edge in numbers after all). She also has torps.
But we don't know much about her phaser "caliber". Perhaps Lorca's "double hot" counts as Kirk's "lukewarm"? And Lorca didn't seem to trust his torps in this week's fight.
Timo Saloniemi
- Can jump in and out of a fight.
- Can make phasers "double hot" and pops Klingon BoPs with single shots that way, but only at the cost of having impulse drive powered down.
- Can fight six Klingon vessels about as well as the Gagarin, that is, not all that well (zero kills, totally loses shields).
Stocker scored no known kills against the swarm of Romulan ships in "The Deadly Years", the closest analogy to this week's DSC fight. But Kirk in command of the same ship could bring single Klingon battle cruisers to their knees. Then again, he could do little about multiple battle cruisers, and Lorca here faced two.
Is the Discovery armed heavily or lightly? She has more guns than the Gagarin (six twin turrets top and bottom vs. four), and more than the Enterprise ever demonstrated, either (six plus six twin turrets is more than either the single one we saw used; the potentially quadruple one we heard discussed in "Paradise Syndrome"; or the port, starboard, amidships and aft phasers mentioned in dialogue - but a creative summing up of all these might give Kirk's ship the edge in numbers after all). She also has torps.
But we don't know much about her phaser "caliber". Perhaps Lorca's "double hot" counts as Kirk's "lukewarm"? And Lorca didn't seem to trust his torps in this week's fight.
Timo Saloniemi
Discovery would definitely win, because it is from the JJverse where everything is 80 years more advanced than it was in TOS.
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Omg…this is so simple!
1) Heavy Cruiser -VS- science ship – It’s like comparing a 100 feet destroyer –VS- a 100 feet pleasure cruise!
2) Admiral (or captain) Pike, a battle hardened veteran commanding the FLAG SHIP - VS – Scared little Commander Suru a greenie not even captain! (for those who said Lorac.. dead guy don’t fight)
Also, probably why we never heard of an admiral Suru: says a lot about his career and lacks of future prestige…The cat (or Phillpa Georgiou2 probably got his tongue….)
3) Ship age? Well, nope! A Deep Heavy Cruiser will have the latest and meanest armament and shield due to its function and be continually upgraded. A science vessel MAY have also the latest…but in fewer numbers! Discovery also has NOT been upgraded during the war, where all major advances in weapon and shield are made, always!
4) IN FACT, been an ex-military, I can tell you that an aged ship fights BETTER than new ones because all the kinks and limits have been found and pushed also the CREW knows tricks that are not in the manual in order to boost performances (ask scotty about it)
5) Even a CIVILIAN alone without military knowledge, without a ship can kick discovery arse: ask Mudd!
6) Discovery wasn’t even able to win a simulated battle….
7) Even if no one will admit it (and specially not your girlfriend): Size does matter.
8) It’s a TV show for God sake! If the writers wants them both defeated by Borat or jar-jar Binks, it will happen! (Will pay good money to see this actually)
9) anywhoo, am guessing it’s the Enterprise from the alternate universe coming to get Georgiou2 or Lorca not knowing that he is DEAD. Which throw in Fascist federation VS flower power dysfunctional federation.
10) In the end: Who cares! The need of the many is not outweighed by the monetary greed of the few.
1) Heavy Cruiser -VS- science ship – It’s like comparing a 100 feet destroyer –VS- a 100 feet pleasure cruise!
2) Admiral (or captain) Pike, a battle hardened veteran commanding the FLAG SHIP - VS – Scared little Commander Suru a greenie not even captain! (for those who said Lorac.. dead guy don’t fight)
Also, probably why we never heard of an admiral Suru: says a lot about his career and lacks of future prestige…The cat (or Phillpa Georgiou2 probably got his tongue….)
3) Ship age? Well, nope! A Deep Heavy Cruiser will have the latest and meanest armament and shield due to its function and be continually upgraded. A science vessel MAY have also the latest…but in fewer numbers! Discovery also has NOT been upgraded during the war, where all major advances in weapon and shield are made, always!
4) IN FACT, been an ex-military, I can tell you that an aged ship fights BETTER than new ones because all the kinks and limits have been found and pushed also the CREW knows tricks that are not in the manual in order to boost performances (ask scotty about it)
5) Even a CIVILIAN alone without military knowledge, without a ship can kick discovery arse: ask Mudd!
6) Discovery wasn’t even able to win a simulated battle….
7) Even if no one will admit it (and specially not your girlfriend): Size does matter.
8) It’s a TV show for God sake! If the writers wants them both defeated by Borat or jar-jar Binks, it will happen! (Will pay good money to see this actually)
9) anywhoo, am guessing it’s the Enterprise from the alternate universe coming to get Georgiou2 or Lorca not knowing that he is DEAD. Which throw in Fascist federation VS flower power dysfunctional federation.
10) In the end: Who cares! The need of the many is not outweighed by the monetary greed of the few.
I don't see how you fight a ship with a spore drive making multiple jumps in rapid succession. They'll keep getting a firing solution, but you won't.
It's essentially a contest between Stamets' endurance and the strength of the Enterprise's weakest shield. I don't know which one wins, so I'm voting leaning Discovery.
It's essentially a contest between Stamets' endurance and the strength of the Enterprise's weakest shield. I don't know which one wins, so I'm voting leaning Discovery.
All things being fair (no side being more favored over the other) it likely is the Discovery. Newer ship then the Enterprise at the time. Spore Drive with micro jumps is a huge advantage and we've seen that used in battle in the episode "Into the Forest". I'll give the Enterprise might have stronger weapons since the Discovery was suppose to be a science vessel. All the more reason for it to not be in one place and use the spore drive as best it can. Discovery as a science vessel likely might have any number of experiments on it that could be use for combat. It wouldn't be an easy fight at all. The spore drive could be knocked offline but I'd lean toward the Discovery.
I'm having trouble thinking of how the Enterprise wins. The Discovery is not going to sit there and trade damage with the Enterprise the way another ship would. That's not how that crew fights and even without Lorca they know what they can do with the ship.
I'm having trouble thinking of how the Enterprise wins. The Discovery is not going to sit there and trade damage with the Enterprise the way another ship would. That's not how that crew fights and even without Lorca they know what they can do with the ship.
Oh...I don't know about that. Lorca on the Enterprise? Man, that's a tough one. Given we do not know much about Lorca's career, prior to his stint on the Buran, it would be hard to make a case for who'd make better use of the ship. What a tantalising thought, though...
Ah thread necromancy
Well as it sets, My money would be on the Connie. The Discovery no longer has its spore drive, and the Connie is a heavy cruiser. She is made to brawl.
Well as it sets, My money would be on the Connie. The Discovery no longer has its spore drive, and the Connie is a heavy cruiser. She is made to brawl.
So are they fighting the Enterprise with all the Discovery tech or the one with the jelly bean buttons and paper printouts?
Also, who's in charge of Discovery? Lorca's a badass but he's a villain so will always lose. Saru would be eaten alive against Kirk or Pike. Burnham will fuck things up for herself again and nobody knows enough about the android to say anything about how she might act.
Discovery wins because of the Detmer-factor
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