Using Deepfake in Trek... Yes or no?

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  1. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

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    Except there are a lot of people who can't, and we don't need to look far to see that. Did you see how long that "Brian Brophy" thread got?
     
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  2. fireproof78

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    Is that the responsibility of the studio?
     
  3. valkyrie013

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    Well there are times where they don't even ask the original to come back even if there available.
    And that to me is wrong.
    I don't know Brian's story, maybe he turned it down, but to me were talking about aged out actors, to recast if there to old to be believable as a younger version. To that acceptance is usually good. But I agree Not to recast just because it's a Tuesday.
     
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    Express permission from people's estates (or heck even basic respect for their images) is not a big thing with speech synthesis, no.
     
  5. valkyrie013

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    Wondering if the Legal thing of using likeness is a bit of a grey area? I'm guessing depends on what there doing with it?
    But then I remember Crispen Glover and him suing after Back to the Future 2 of his likeness being used but not being compensated?
    I don't know..
    Thought I seen an article on if the person is dead its more of a grey area?
     
  6. fireproof78

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    Recasting is a part of the industry. I don't know Brophy's story and honestly I don't know if it matters all that much. The studio made a decision and they went with it based upon their production schedule. I think that we as fans read far more in to it than is honestly there.
     
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    The length of the Brian Brophy thread wasn't about controversy over the recasting; it was about the running gag that ensued.

    Now the "I coulda de-aged Brent Spiner better in 15 minutes!" thing, that never seems to die.
     
  8. Maurice

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    I think people should own their own likenesses and other people should not be able to use those without permission.
     
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  9. Yistaan

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    The funny thing about the Maddox casting is the character was old enough to turn down Data's application in 2341. Even if we retcon Maddox to be some Starfleet prodigy like Kelvin Timeline Kirk and he was in a command position at the age of 25 at the time, that'd still make him 83 as of the Picard appearance, meaning both actors were way too young to play the character. :lol:

    It's a big thing even before deepfake tech got so advanced. I remember a bunch of LOTR stars sued the studio for marketing their likenesses in all this Middle Earth merchandise and them not seeing a penny out of it. Apparently even the Tolkien family had to fight to see some money out of the films.
     
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  10. Yistaan

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    sorry double post
     
  11. A Chimpanzee & 2 Trainees

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    This i think is a great use of the technology. So what if they're a little uncanny... it is the holodeck. I don't think there's a point necessarily to spending the time and money to do it 30ish years later, but thats another question and a scene like that would be perfect for it. Maybe for a quick 5 second non speaking cameo.... other than that, I dont think so. Leave well enough alone.
     
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    The first one rocks.
    The second? That is the wrong way to use it.
    Better to have two future Andy Serkis’ “wear” ST II era Kirk as a father figure to a young Skywalker for the 1980s Trek/Wars crossover we never got.
     
  13. JonnyQuest037

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    No. It's creepy.

    Whenever I see a deepfake video, my mind just goes to all the frightening ways that the technology can be misused.
     
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  14. Deks

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    I don't see why they shouldn't.
    It would provide Trek with the ability to do convincing short cameos from certain characters in a new series (if the story justifies the appearance of those cameos). And previous audio files can be used for AI to train and produce same sounds as the older characters.

    This is useful if a legacy actor died or the original cannot make an appearance for whatever reason.

    So long as its not overused... I'm happy for them to use it.
     
  15. Dryson

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    Using deep fakes to create cheap characters will ruin the Trek franchise.
     
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  16. fireproof78

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    I think it minimizes the actor's influence on their character.
     
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  17. Deks

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    Only if the character is used despite the actor. Point is, that if an actor is unavailable or doesn't want to act in Trek anymore, its a good way to bring back the character for a cameo and/or consistency (if the story needs it).
     
  18. fireproof78

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    It's also a way to bypass actor input and choice in the character.
     
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    Yeah…As things stand now it's basically a recasting with the same face, as another actor will be "playing" the previous one, in the future (not very soon but probably sooner than we might imagine) I can see getting rid of actors altogether.

    So at the moment there is still input from an actor, but not from the original one and, more importantly, from an actor that has much less leverage, being much easier to replace if necessary.
     
  20. fireproof78

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    Yeah, it's pretty much moving away from actor input, nuance and talent and editing and technological capability. Sounds like what Lucas would love to have had for the PT.

    Honestly, it disturbs me. It basically removes the human and assumes the technology can do no wrong. And the actors will have little say.