Use of the Force in the OT
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And which movie or Clone Wars episode establishes this?
The Thrawn trilogy. (Books)
So in other words, not so much.
Except to the extent that the prequels have changed things, the books are a perfectly acceptable source of lore in Star Wars, since unlike most other universes, they are (with a few exceptions) all in the same continuity.
They're not strictly relevant to a discussion purely about the OT, of course, but some would argue that the Thrawn Trilogy, at least, sticks closer to the spirit of the OT than the prequels do....
No, but the Jedi Academy Trilogy did mention some kind of Old Republic technology that acted as a "scanner" to detect Jedi potential.
They're not strictly relevant to a discussion purely about the OT, of course, but some would argue that the Thrawn Trilogy, at least, sticks closer to the spirit of the OT than the prequels do....
No, but the Jedi Academy Trilogy did mention some kind of Old Republic technology that acted as a "scanner" to detect Jedi potential.
And what was the reason for not being able to clone Midi-Chlorians? Those things are living organisms, after all.
They were able to clone Force-users. The trouble was that the accelerated aging used by the Spaarti process drove Force-sensitives insane for some reason, and wasn't terribly good for normals' stability either.
Thrawn's solution to this problem was to use Ysalamir, creatures which have evolved a natural "Force-blocking" ability as a defense mechanism, to create Force-negated bubbles around the cloning tanks.
The Thrawn Trilogy books are pretty good. For books written in the 90s, they still hold up with exception to Thrawn's solution to the accelerated clone: use of the force slugs. That plot didn't make much sense.
Touché!The novel Dark Rendezvous seems to argue that more midichlorians=greater force potential.
Well, that was fairly obvious from The Phantom Menace.
You have more m-cs because you have more Force power.
You don't have more Force Power because you have more m-cs.
The m-cs are drawn to a body that is powerful in the Force. They do not create the power, they are attracted to it. That's why the m-cs do not contradict what was told in the OT, that the Force comes from all life and matter.
You don't have more Force Power because you have more m-cs.
The m-cs are drawn to a body that is powerful in the Force. They do not create the power, they are attracted to it. That's why the m-cs do not contradict what was told in the OT, that the Force comes from all life and matter.
Wrong. That is completely backwards. You have more Force potential because you have a higher midichlorian count, and that contradicts nothing in the OT.
infinix said:
Such as? What "observable events" are you talking about? The truth is that his Force use on screen does not become obviously weaker, other than in the sense of his susceptibility to Force lightning and his apparent inability to produce it. This may have something to do with the fact that the whole "lost strength in the Force" plotline wasn't invented until around 2004 and thus doesn't really exist in the OT.
Davros said:
You don't need any. It should be obvious that any cells not destroyed on Mustafar would have the same midichlorian count that was found by the test in TPM.
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I don't care about any midi-schmidi-whozits, it's obvious how the Force should work. The greater your purity of spirit, the greater the Force. Light Side, that is; the greater your corruption of spirit, the better the Dark Side works. It is idiotic that something like the size of your body or the amount of technobabble in your bloodstream should have any influence at all.
Tiny little Yoda is strong in the Force because of his years of perfecting his Jedi-hood, both in terms of training his body to fight and also in training his mind and his soul towards greater perfection. The latter is far more important than the former; the Jedi aren't Klingons! Why have they become defined entirely by how big and strong and skillful they are at fighting?
Star Wars is mystical fantasy, not Trekkian sci-fi adventure. The rules of the game should be all about the eternal struggle of good vs. evil, as opposed to the rational universe of Star Trek, where superior technology and technobabble conquers all.
The biggest problem of all with the midi-schmidi-whozits is the way it betrays Lucas' feelings of inferiority towards Star Trek. He's apparently ashamed at having created a cosmos that is sneered at as irrational, not "real" sci fi (like Star Trek is?
), and slandered as "fascist" (okay, it pretty much is, but that's less of a problem than you might think - it's not the real world, after all, or even very analogous to the real world.).
No doubt that's what's behind these benighted attempts to mimic the Star Trek style with political allegory and technobabble, but #1, he's terrible at it, and #2, he should have the courage of his convictions and realize he doesn't need it. Instead, embrace Star Wars as being irrational, elitist, and concerned with the eternal struggle of good vs. evil, which is currently very out of fashion in politically correct liberal circles of Northern California, but why should that make the slightest bit of difference? Stories about the eternal struggle of good vs. evil have endured for millenia.
Tiny little Yoda is strong in the Force because of his years of perfecting his Jedi-hood, both in terms of training his body to fight and also in training his mind and his soul towards greater perfection. The latter is far more important than the former; the Jedi aren't Klingons! Why have they become defined entirely by how big and strong and skillful they are at fighting?
Star Wars is mystical fantasy, not Trekkian sci-fi adventure. The rules of the game should be all about the eternal struggle of good vs. evil, as opposed to the rational universe of Star Trek, where superior technology and technobabble conquers all.
The biggest problem of all with the midi-schmidi-whozits is the way it betrays Lucas' feelings of inferiority towards Star Trek. He's apparently ashamed at having created a cosmos that is sneered at as irrational, not "real" sci fi (like Star Trek is?
), and slandered as "fascist" (okay, it pretty much is, but that's less of a problem than you might think - it's not the real world, after all, or even very analogous to the real world.). No doubt that's what's behind these benighted attempts to mimic the Star Trek style with political allegory and technobabble, but #1, he's terrible at it, and #2, he should have the courage of his convictions and realize he doesn't need it. Instead, embrace Star Wars as being irrational, elitist, and concerned with the eternal struggle of good vs. evil, which is currently very out of fashion in politically correct liberal circles of Northern California, but why should that make the slightest bit of difference? Stories about the eternal struggle of good vs. evil have endured for millenia.
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It would indeed be idiotic if midichlorian count was assumed to be about "the size of your body". It's not. It's a cell concentration as said outright in TPM.
SW never stopped being concerned with good vs. evil. Don't get confused by the fact that the good guys lost. Liberals know about such things all too well.
Not so obvious. According to ROTJ, it has to do with who you're related to.
Is Luke literally the only being of pure spirit who could be found in the entire galaxy?
It has a lot to do with the origin of the name Jedi in the first place.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian
I don't think I knew this before; he created midi-chlorians in 1977!
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