That works for me. It gives the dark side users more of an edge during life in a way but the overall edge to the light side users. Which means Vader got the best of both worlds - more power while he was still alive, and with a last minute act of redemption a nice afterlife. Go Vader!
Use of the Force in the OT
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That works for me. It gives the dark side users more of an edge during life in a way but the overall edge to the light side users. Which means Vader got the best of both worlds - more power while he was still alive, and with a last minute act of redemption a nice afterlife. Go Vader!
Vader had a pretty shitty existence in life, but as Anakin and as Vader.
On the issue of dark side vs. light side, what is the benefit of being able to exist as Force ghosts that only actual Force users can see? (even Leia couldn't see them). Ben and Yoda's Force ghosts sure as hell didn't do anything to help Luke prepare for the final confrontation with the Emperor.
Also, how is it that this benefit of the light side of the Force was discovered only after a thousand generations of Jedi? That just doesn't add up.
Anyone who's played Jedi Outcast knows the answer to that one. Yes, a Jedi can use force speed during a fight, but their opponent will just do the same thing anyway; so it's better in most cases to conserve that effort for more effective attacks.
In the expanded stuff, Jedi and Sith pretty much always became force ghosts. It was also implied-in Heir To The Empire-that eventually Anakin, Obi-Wan and Yoda went to a higher plane of existence after setting Luke on the path to rebuild the Jedi. Sith/Dark side spirits also appeared, but seemed to be more limited in power.... Of course that was all written before Revenge of the Sith.
If I remember correctly, one of the ideas that Lucas messed around-but never used in the films-with was using crystals to amplify one's force abilities. This shows up in one EU source-Alan Dean Foster's Splinter of the Mind's Eye (Which according to some accounts would've been a low-budget film sequel had Star Wars not been a huge success).
If I remember correctly, one of the ideas that Lucas messed around-but never used in the films-with was using crystals to amplify one's force abilities. This shows up in one EU source-Alan Dean Foster's Splinter of the Mind's Eye (Which according to some accounts would've been a low-budget film sequel had Star Wars not been a huge success).
Huh? you mean Mind's Eye would have been a sequel had A New Hope not been a huge success?
Yeah, that's been known for years. It's set on a jungle planet (easy to film on backlots) and doesn't have Han (no Harrison Ford).
I'd still love to see a direct-to-video animated adaptation of Splinter. It's a neat little story despite it's shortcomings.
For that matter, I've always wondered why Vader couldn't just use the force to click the "off" switch on his opponent's lightsaber (or knock a crystal out of alignment or something) during a key moment of a lightsaber battle.
Although personally, I kind of miss the days when it appeared to take a lot more effort and concentration to summon and use the force. The way we see Jedi easily (and repeatedly) flinging people against the wall or across the room now on TCW makes them seem a little too much like superheroes for my taste.
I just got this image of a Jedi and a Sith trying to have a lightsaber duel, but they're stalemated. Every time one of them powers up their saber, the other one Force-switches it off. Flick. Flick. Flick. Flick. Flick. Flick.
He has the same midichlorian count in the OT that he had in TPM. We don't see him stopping starships from flying away in the PT either. His Force use in the OT or after his reconstruction in ROTS is really not noticeably weaker than what we saw him do on screen in the PT.
I remember no mention of midichlorian counts in the OT.
I have exactly the same recollection as you.
Don't worry, it'll be a line of dialogue in the blu ray release.
Technology has finally gotten sophisticated enough for George Lucas to dub lines in & bring the OT more in line with his original vision.
The horror.
No. It's not due to the midichlorians it's due to the fact that he is in constant pain and has to use machines to breath, see, hear and talk and that his mobility is so restricted by his robotic limbs. With regards to his power, Anakin in ROTS wasn't at his potential he would have been more powerful than Yoda and Palpatine, but he peaked after being burned so severely and losing so much of his body.
If Vader was at full power he would've been able to shoot lightning like Palpatine. He can't because it will short out his mechanical life support.
Makes me wonder why he never considered getting a cloned body or some kind of regeneration after the mechanical parts got him stable.
Makes me wonder why he never considered getting a cloned body or some kind of regeneration after the mechanical parts got him stable.
Damn man, didn't we have this discussion already in the Plinkett thread that got closed a while back? STOP arguing that Mechanical Vader is NOT noticeably weaker than Biological Vader when all observable events points to that conclusion.
Also makes you wonder why Palpatine couldn't manipulate an additional 20,000 Midi-chlorian count in his own body, or simply clone an army of Anakins. Oh well...
'cause a clone wouldn't be him. And when did they ever show "regeneration" to be a part of the Star Wars medical technology? Would it have regenerated his missin' arms & legs? If so, why didn't he just do that after he lost the first arm?
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