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USA distribution -CBS All Access discussion

as far as rewnewing CBSAA exclusive shows:
The Good Fight
CBS All Access has elected to renew the freshman drama for a second season, CBS announced Thursday.
The series’ second season will premiere in 2018.
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CBS All Access is not releasing viewership data for The Good Fight — which drew very strong reviews from critics — or any potential subscriber bump related to it, though there is a hint of a good subscriber response.
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So I wonder if CBSAA will also renew DSC halfway through season1?
 
package deal with Showtime app
Twin Peaks
The limited series will consist of 18 episodes, premiering on Showtime on May 21, 2017.

As we head into the spring and have 'Star Trek' and 'Twin Peaks' coming out on those competing platforms, how great will it be looking forward to be able to market them together at a slight discount if you buy them both, but that's part of our intent,” Moonves said, according to a Seeking Alpha transcript.
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So I wonder when this will be announced as it is 18 episodes and Showtime will release one per week?
Showtime on May 21 at 9 PM with a two-hour premiere, Showtime president David Nevins announced at the top of the network’s TCA session today [Jan.9, 2017]. Immediately after the premiere, episodes 3 and 4 will also be made available on Showtime’s digital platform.

Except for the Episode 3 and 4’s early release, the show will essentially air weekly, because Lynch believes in weekly TV, Nevins said, adding that the series will have a global launch around the world
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September 20 is week 18.
Maybe DSC premiere will be the day after Labor Day weekend for ratings?
 
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I will be subscribing to CBSAA commercial-free for the duration of a season of DSC. For the $10/ month I don't care if they drag it out for 6 months. I want DSC to be profitable so we get more of it. I won't be subscribing during the off-season unless there is some other compelling content.

I cut the cable cord 7 years ago. Most of the streaming hardware was inflexible so I bought a mac mini. It paid for itself in a year. It still works but I'm considering upgrading to apple tv so I can control the system from an app. Hard to justify the cost vs my $35 chromecast.

My only other streaming services are Netflix and Amazon Prime. I look at Amazon's streaming as a bonus because I subscribe to Prime for the free shipping. My wife occasionally subscribes to Hulu when there is content she wants. I also purchase streaming content from Amazon such as Archer and Dr. Who when in season.

Not too worried about an extra $8-10/month here and there for streaming services, or having to purchase content a la carte. I don't count my internet cost because to me that is a basic utility.
 
Wait, is CBS really going to use this streaming platform to get people to subscribe and then not show the series straight through? That should be illegal.
That is correct. It is a ripoff. The first episode will be available on CBS for free but not after that. Anywhere other than North America will be able to watch it on Netflix streaming. They are charging Americans and Canadians $5.99 with commercials and around $9+ without commercials and the app is NOT available for most smart TVs - only Chromecats and Apple TVs will have it. There is also a 4 month minimum subscription price. I am furious about it.
 
There is also a 4 month minimum subscription price. I am furious about it.
I don't know where you got a 4 month minimum subscription from. I already subscribe and we could cancel at any time. Straight from the Terms of Use:
https://www.cbsinteractive.com/legal/cbsi/terms-of-use said:
8.6 Cancellation. You can cancel your subscription to CBS All Access at any time by contacting us at (888)274-5343, Monday to Sunday 8 am to midnight EST, or by logging into your account at https://www.cbs.com/all-access/account/ and clicking "cancel subscription." If you cancel your subscription, the cancellation will go into effect at the end of the then-current monthly subscription period.
 
^^^ I doubt it's that easy to cancel. Every service I've ever cancelled from forces you to actually speak to a customer service droid to give them an explanation why you're closing your account. The upside is that they bypass any wait times for normal customer service and send you straight to a rep immediately (the stench of desperation emanates from the phone at this point), who also happens to do standard customer service calls. I've exploited that hack many times (when it's available) to mitigate waiting for a long time and they never seem to notice the difference.
 
They are charging ... Canadians $5.99 with commercials and around $9+ without commercials and the app is NOT available for most smart TVs - only Chromecats and Apple TVs will have it. There is also a 4 month minimum subscription price. I am furious about it.

This is incorrect.

It is airing on TV on Space in Canada and is streaming commercial free on Crave TV.
 
That is correct. It is a ripoff. The first episode will be available on CBS for free but not after that. Anywhere other than North America will be able to watch it on Netflix streaming. They are charging Americans and Canadians $5.99 with commercials and around $9+ without commercials and the app is NOT available for most smart TVs - only Chromecats and Apple TVs will have it. There is also a 4 month minimum subscription price. I am furious about it.
You don't need a TV, it's available through ps4.

I am unhappy, though, that even when it comes out, only one episode is going to be available. I'll have to wait like another month before I sign up, otherwise it'll just be frustrating.
 
^^^ I doubt it's that easy to cancel. Every service I've ever cancelled from forces you to actually speak to a customer service droid to give them an explanation why you're closing your account. The upside is that they bypass any wait times for normal customer service and send you straight to a rep immediately (the stench of desperation emanates from the phone at this point), who also happens to do standard customer service calls. I've exploited that hack many times (when it's available) to mitigate waiting for a long time and they never seem to notice the difference.
Nope, we cancelled for a little while over the summer and re-subscribed later. It really was a few mouse clicks.
 
Nope, we cancelled for a little while over the summer and re-subscribed later. It really was a few mouse clicks.
I think it is to CBS's advantage to make cancel-and-return easy. I expect to cancel when DSC is off-season unless there is something else very compelling on CBSAA. If they make cancellation a PITA then the idea of going thru that again becomes an obstacle to re-upping for DSC Season 2. I can't imagine I'm the only person thinking this way.
 
^^^ I doubt it's that easy to cancel. Every service I've ever cancelled from forces you to actually speak to a customer service droid to give them an explanation why you're closing your account. The upside is that they bypass any wait times for normal customer service and send you straight to a rep immediately (the stench of desperation emanates from the phone at this point), who also happens to do standard customer service calls. I've exploited that hack many times (when it's available) to mitigate waiting for a long time and they never seem to notice the difference.

I can't speak for CBS All Access, but from my experience with Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, and Starz, you only have to make a few clicks / taps to cancel. No speaking with another human necessary.
 
Streaming services need to be easy to sign in and easy to cancel. And luckily they mostly are.
Most people have no money, or need to have all the different streaming services on at all times so it must be as easy as possible to switch between different subscriptions. It is streaming services job to keep releasing interesting content to keep the customer paying or renew their subscription at a later time. No one will return to a service that was difficult to get rid of last time.
 
Nope, we cancelled for a little while over the summer and re-subscribed later. It really was a few mouse clicks.
I can't speak for CBS All Access, but from my experience with Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, and Starz, you only have to make a few clicks / taps to cancel. No speaking with another human necessary.
Streaming services need to be easy to sign in and easy to cancel. And luckily they mostly are.
Most people have no money, or need to have all the different streaming services on at all times so it must be as easy as possible to switch between different subscriptions. It is streaming services job to keep releasing interesting content to keep the customer paying or renew their subscription at a later time. No one will return to a service that was difficult to get rid of last time.
Recently, I have never had issues cancelling a service, beyond answering a few questions about the whys.
That's good to know, thank you, all. :) On the hopefully unlikely event that the show gets cancelled (not that I want it too at all), I do want to be able to pop smoke and cancel the streaming service on a moment's notice, sans drama. Hopefully the new show will be good enough to make it worth it. CBS is certainly banking on it, anyway.
 
That's good to know, thank you, all. :) On the hopefully unlikely event that the show gets cancelled (not that I want it too at all), I do want to be able to pop smoke and cancel the streaming service on a moment's notice, sans drama. Hopefully the new show will be good enough to make it worth it. CBS is certainly banking on it, anyway.
Even if it is not cancelled you will still have plenty of time to cancel your account between season 1 and a possible season 2 and then join back. Unless there is something else to watch on the service in the mean time.
 
Thought I would throw this out there, not sure if someone else has already.

I think one of the reasons CBS cut a deal with Netflix to distribute DSC internationally is that CBSAA is only available in the United States. Even US territories aren't included. I'm not sure what the exact reason behind this is, because a.) I don't work for CBS and b.) there's likely a telecommunications, legal, infrastructure, or rights distribution rationale for this limitation. I've seen this kind of limitation on Seeso as well.

So, the idea that CBS is just trying to fuck over dumb Americans and give the international community a sweet deal is probably not the case. It's more likely that if CBSAA were available internationally right now, we wouldn't be having this international Netflix conversation at all.
 
Thought I would throw this out there, not sure if someone else has already.

I think one of the reasons CBS cut a deal with Netflix to distribute DSC internationally is that CBSAA is only available in the United States. Even US territories aren't included. I'm not sure what the exact reason behind this is, because a.) I don't work for CBS and b.) there's likely a telecommunications, legal, infrastructure, or rights distribution rationale for this limitation. I've seen this kind of limitation on Seeso as well.

So, the idea that CBS is just trying to fuck over dumb Americans and give the international community a sweet deal is probably not the case. It's more likely that if CBSAA were available internationally right now, we wouldn't be having this international Netflix conversation at all.
Good insight, and you're probably right about that.

The whole thing just feels like the "UPN experiment" to me, all over again, when Paramount tried to build a franchise business model with a whole "new" network (using existing independent stations as market foot-holds) in a lame attempt to compete with NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox, giving top-billing to Voyager as its "flagship show" and could never get anyone to really care.

That's what this feels like, but more insidious, by forcing people to get something they may not otherwise have or want. At least, back then, it was still on TV for everyone to watch, if they chose to do so. Nobody gave two rat-turds in a rain-barrel what channel it was on.
 
Good insight, and you're probably right about that.

The whole thing just feels like the "UPN experiment" to me, all over again, when Paramount tried to build a franchise business model with a whole "new" network (using existing independent stations as market foot-holds) in a lame attempt to compete with NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox, giving top-billing to Voyager as its "flagship show" and could never get anyone to really care.

That's what this feels like, but more insidious, by forcing people to get something they may not otherwise have or want. At least, back then, it was still on TV for everyone to watch, if they chose to do so. Nobody gave two rat-turds in a rain-barrel what channel it was on.
One of the big hangups I've seen from people regarding signing up for CBSAA is that "there's only Star Trek." The promise of DSC is what initially drew me to CBSAA, but I have been finding other things on the service that are enough to keep me paying for it even in the DSC off-season. The Good Fight is a damn good show. Colbert is consistent. There's the CBS Evening News, which I like. 60 Minutes, Face the Nation, Twilight Zone, etc. Also you can watch live tv with the app. There's a lot here to keep me entertained. On the other hand, Hulu is on notice for me, because ever since their deal with Viacom ended and a bunch of shows left (most Comedy Central stuff), I've found less and less to keep me interested in Hulu. I may end up canceling Hulu if I find CBSAA replacing it as my go-to. One thing I want CBSAA to continue to do are create more compelling original shows like Good Fight.

A lot of the above you can find on the CBS tv channel, but since I can't be bothered to get traditional TV, this is a really good system for me. Paying only for streaming services I use, canceling or signing back up as things come and go, and so on.
 
That's what this feels like, but more insidious, by forcing people to get something they may not otherwise have or want. At least, back then, it was still on TV for everyone to watch, if they chose to do so. Nobody gave two rat-turds in a rain-barrel what channel it was on.

I don't get the insidious angle? They've been very open about the purpose of Star Trek on their streaming service.
 
Eh don't mind me, I'm just bitter and of Scottish descent, so I'm loathed to part with my money in general. And I'm lazy, too. They're forcing me to do extra things to watch the show, damn them! Did I mention that I'm bitter?
 
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