US Space Force Ranks? [Speculation]
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We will in 2063
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Not really, no.
The most logical option would have been simply to rename the USAF to United States Aerospace Force...
...but that would have made too much sense.
Not really, no.
The most logical option would have been simply to rename the USAF to United States Aerospace Force...
...but that would have made too much sense.
That makes no sense at all. Renaming the Air Force wouldn't have achieved anything useful.
It would help cut down on the waste and the excess.
It's simpler and more efficient to have fewer branches of the military, not more. The Canadians proved that. We could stand to learn a thing or two from them.
The Canadian military is not even remotely comparable to the United States military. The entire manpower of the Canadian Armed Forces is about 1/3 that of the US Marine Corps. There's virtually nothing for us to be learned from the Canadian military.
Again why do you need a separate space force it is just not needed.
Maybe. They didn't think an Air Force was need at one time either.
Did they?
At least the role of Army, Navy, and Air Force make sense for what do you need a fourth branch service called Space Force when the Air Force could easily cover space as well.
In the US, yes.
There's no air in space.
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Actually, that's not entirely true. The lowest Specialist rank being E3 didn't come about until 1955, initially as Specialist Third Class paralleling USN ratings of the same era, then renamed to E4.
Initially, specialists ranked with private first class at sixth and seventh grade (roughly E1 to E2) between 1920 and 1942; during the 40s this was replaced by the rank of Technician which upgraded the minimum rank to 5th Grade in pay (which progression up to 1st Grade), but like the current E4 rank, it sat between the grades in authority, for instance a Technican Fifth Grade could give orders to a Pfc or Pvt, but would be outranked by any Corporal regardless of TIS.
Sometimes, I have a little difficulty forgetting that the US gives authority before training, when the UK system does it the other way around which seems more logical to me. In the UK, you don't get a promotion until you've completed specialist training and in most "general trades" you have to have some experience as well (MPs and medics are an exception, you get a immediate promotion to at least Lance Corporal/Leading Hand* there, although I believe privates are still used as assistants). In fact, they recently revised the SOPs so that you need to be at least AB2 (roughly AFSC Skill Level 3) to even deploy at least in the RN and presumably the RM.
*Not sure how it works in the RAF, though I assume the RAF Regt and RAF Police follow the usual pattern
Aww!
They don't have 25-star General, General Major Webelo, Rear Brigadier, or Commodore 64.
Aww!
They don't have 25-star General, General Major Webelo, Rear Brigadier, or Commodore 64.
25 star General that must be a heck of a lot of power and responsibility
The first Army rank of Specialist (Specialist Third Class) introduced in 1955 was always E-4. It was never E-3.
Okay, you're partly right, the rank of Specialist Third Class (equivalent to Petty Officer Third Class), which was later renamed Specialist Four, and eventually became the modern Specialist rank, was always E4, that was a typo. I think I meant to say either Specialist 4 or SP4.
However, the first Specialist rank was Private Specialist and Private First Class Specialist, which ranked with Private (Seventh Grade, now E1) and Private First Class (Sixth Grade, now PV2 E2).
This was replaced in the 1940s with the Technician Third, Fourth and Fifth Grade which ranked with but below Army Staff Sergeant (E6), Sergeant (E5) and Corporal (E4) respectively.
These were discontinued in 1948, and Technicians were "sideways promoted" to the corresponding NCO grade. This proved to be unpopular and the change was reversed in 1955, leading to the Specialist system noted above.
For details see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialist_(rank)#United_States_Army
Yeah... but by the time it was created almost nobody thought that.The USAAF had about a third of the army's personnel in WW2 and almost half the budget before separating and had fought a major war basically independently of its parent service. The USSF by contrast is about 5% of USAF personnel and 10% of the budget. Satellite operations and orbital defense systems are very important, but I'm still not convinced a new branch of the armed forces was necessary for that mission at this point.
Those were not ranks. It was increased skill pay without increased rank, which is different from what we're talking about.
Yeah, that's really going to happen. Even though part of the Army, the USAAC was completely run by air officers by around 1935. In WW2 Hap Arnold had a seat on the Joint and Combined Chiefs of Staff committees and General Marshall let him run his own show. That war showed pretty clearly that air forces which could act strategically on their own (USAAF, RAF) contributed more toward victory than those which were closely tied to army support.
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