US Space Force Ranks? [Speculation]
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Maybe a Sky Marshal like in Starship Troopers?Probably not.
I would really hope the higher-ups at the Pentagon would have enough insight to be aware that the 1997 Starship Troopers is a satire of the novel which equates the Terran Federation with Nazi Germany...
I mean, it's not like it takes a penis to perform the Space Force's missions, and it's not like the Space Force has centuries of tradition behind it. Why not use non-gendered titles?
From what I can tell, the United States is the only nation to establish its space warfare branch as an independent space-based military service.
The Russian Space Force has been established as an independent military service twice, and both times it's been reabsorbed back into other services -- first into their Strategic Missile Forces, and then it was merged with the Air Force to form Aerospace Forces. Their Air Force and Space Force are now both as divisions of Aerospace Forces.
For China, all I can find is something called the Space Systems Department, which is part of the People's Liberation Army Strategic Support Force, the branch of the Chinese army that deals with space, cyber, and electronic warfare.
I strongly suspect that China and Russia, by keeping their space warfare operations as divisions of larger military services, are making smarter strategic choices about how to conduct space warfare given the constraints imposed by existing low-orbital technology.
If you look at the rank Chief Master Sergeant the logo is inside the chevrons. I don’t really like that,
Interesting video from enlisted Air Force member who is transfering to Space Force in September.
If I am not mistaken, China winnowed out their officials by having them run their space outfits. Only then do they get to lead the masses. Here, many politicos have law degrees. In China, you see many more engineers and scientists in leadership roles.
In Russia, the Chief Designers reigned supreme, and it was their other branches that starved (as it should be).
The USSR simply could not compete, blue water navy to blue water navy. With R-7, they didn’t need too. But Nikita was ousted, their conventional military got the upper hand once Korolev and others died—and it has been a downhill slide ever since, Angara not withstanding.
China, feeling its oats, wants in on the carrier action. That may be a mistake. Their space force might get raided by their emerging “carrier groupies.”
After the USAF was calved off the US Army Air Corp, the other branches—leery of seeing a repeat, each got a bit of the space action. For years, space activists were under the heel of others priorities—mostly fighter jocks.
Space advocates that I have known in the military were the polar opposites of what you saw in Starship Troopers. Individuals like General Medaris wanted troop rockets and pushed for the Saturns in the ABMA.
He later became a preacher because of the direction the military was going.
Space Solar Power advocates like Coyote Smith and others knew that NASA funds would always be limited, and thus saw DoD money as a way ahead.
This was the push behind a space force. It has been looked at long before Trump came into office.
Tax dollars that have gone into space help us on the ground, as did GPS, that some in the USAF were actually hostile to at first.
I think non-space military funding does need cutting—F-35 especially.
But space advocates have been hurt by the Starship Trooper types in the AF.
Not only do other folks in the service want to gut Space Force, but well meaning peace protestors oppose them too...so they get it from both sides. So far, the latter, who couldn’t stop carrier development manage to criticize SF well enough. But Coyote Smith, who wants SPSS, is actually on their side.
I simply want space advocates to have DoD funding, rather than different factions in NASA fight each other for scraps.
If you look at the rank Chief Master Sergeant the logo is inside the chevrons. I don’t really like that,
Every branch of the service has a special "service specific" symbol for that branch's Senior Enlisted Advisor. That's not the normal rank insignia for the Space Force's regular E-9 "Chief Master Sergeant" Rank.
I'm aware of that, I'm just saying that I personally don't like it. I served in the Air Force and if I could now, I would join the US Space Force. The Air Force uses a diamond to convey First Sargent in the open area of the Chevron but it's small and unobtrusive. For Chief Master Sargent of the Air Force the Star surrounded by Wings where the Star would be is perfect. I haven't really kept up on Air Force enlisted rank chevron but it seams the Air Force also has the Eagle in the open area of the Chevron patch now for the Chief Master Sargent of the Air Force. Which I don't like either, makes the Chevrons look too busy. I would prefer it be where the Star is in the Chevrons but again, thats just my opinion.
Yeah the USAF added the eagle and stars in 2004, but the CMSAF still has the wreath around the lower star too, and a wreath around the collar and cap badges.
https://www.uniform-reference.net/insignia/usaf/usaf_enl_chron.html
Not related to rank, but of interesting if you're following the progress of USSF as it gels. USSF has released it's first doctrinal document: https://www.spaceforce.mil/News/Art...defines-spacepower-as-distinct-form-of-milita
The cadets will be called "Ziggys"
USSF lieutenant general rank flag:
https://www.spaceforce.mil/News/Article/2314027/us-space-force-promotes-first-general-officer
Like the USAF version but black field instead of blue and silver fringe instead of gold. Honor guard face masks may also be black and silver?
https://www.spaceforce.mil/News/Article/2314027/us-space-force-promotes-first-general-officer
Like the USAF version but black field instead of blue and silver fringe instead of gold. Honor guard face masks may also be black and silver?
Looks to be so.
USSF has issued official guidance for uniform wear: https://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/ussf/publication/spfgm2020-36-01/spfgm2020-36-01.pdf
And guess who has now weighed in on the subject.
William Shatner wants to know: What the heck is wrong with you, Space Force?
William Shatner wants to know: What the heck is wrong with you, Space Force?
USAF personnel begin transferring into USSF this month: https://www.spaceforce.mil/News/Art...to-transfer-into-space-force-beginning-sept-1
There's nothing wrong with gender-netural ranks, as such...it's just that "Spaceperson" sounds kind of weird and contrived.*
They could always go the Andromeda route and just call it "Spacer"...
* Like the Ace Hardware ads. Their catchphrase used to be "Ace is the place for the helpful hardware man", but now they use the word "folk" instead. That also sounds weird. Can't they use something more natural, like "team"?
I mean, it all sounds weird and contrived. "Spaceman" is just as ridiculous as "Spaceperson."
Anyway, I think the least-ridiculous-sounding term would be something like "Spacecrew."
Bringing a dead thread back to life because I had a realization/thought...
If the President wanted a cheap publicity boost, he could order the 89th Airlift Wing transferred out of the Air Force and into to the newest military branch, and then the next time he goes aboard, the presidential plane would be called Space Force One...!
If the President wanted a cheap publicity boost, he could order the 89th Airlift Wing transferred out of the Air Force and into to the newest military branch, and then the next time he goes aboard, the presidential plane would be called Space Force One...!
So apparently the requirement for the US Space Force to use Naval ranks has been removed from the 2021 Defense bill.
Also, apparently the USSF was all set to announce their rank structure back in August before the proposal to mandate use of Naval ranks was inserted into the bill. Wonder if they're just going to go ahead with what they'd already decided on or if they're going to come up with something new?
Also, apparently the USSF was all set to announce their rank structure back in August before the proposal to mandate use of Naval ranks was inserted into the bill. Wonder if they're just going to go ahead with what they'd already decided on or if they're going to come up with something new?
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