Untold Treks

[Finn]

It's vague at most. I looked up the script for The Battle on trekcore.com. Picard just says the Stargazer was his old ship (doesn't mean it was the only ship he commanded). Whatever he commanded between the Battle of Maxia and taking command of the Enterprise might not have been special to him, even though it had to be enough to have him take command of the flagship...

 

[od0_ital]

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He may have just been a "special assignments" guy for Starfleet Command for a few years. We know Starfleet had 'em, and Picard got to be buddies with a few admirals along the way some how, and that sort of thing can't happen on deep space missions like the Stargazer was assigned to...

 

[Finn]

^ It got Janeway Admirality

 

[od0_ital]

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She knew admirals before she went into the Delta Quadrant, ya know.

And dependin' on which episode ya watch, Voyager wasn't her first command, either...

 

[Finn]

Yeah, I know.... on first name basis (except for her Daddy, ofc)

 

[brian577]

^ It got Janeway Admirality

Might have had something to do with bringing home an Admiral's son. It's good to have friends in high places.
Besides Picard (like Kirk) didn't want to be promoted. I'd imagine after seven years of fighting for survival she'd welcome a nice comfortable desk job.

 

[RAMA]

I'd have liked to have seen the aliens from Conspiracy again. A truly epic Romulan story/arc much like they developed the Klingon saga during the show. Most of all, I'd have liked to have seen "The Chase"followed up.

RAMA

 

[BillJ]

I'd have liked to have seen the aliens from Conspiracy again. A truly epic Romulan story/arc much like they developed the Klingon saga during the show. Most of all, I'd have liked to have seen "The Chase"followed up.

RAMA

I just watched The Chase for the first time in may years the other night. My feelings are the same as the Klingon commander in the episode, "That's all? If she were not dead, I would kill her."

Sooooooo damn dull. But that's a staple of TNG seasons six and seven.

 

[od0_ital]

I'd have liked to have seen the aliens from Conspiracy again....

The 'Conspiracy' bugs get used in the DS9 Relaunch novels.

 

[RAMA]

I'd have liked to have seen the aliens from Conspiracy again. A truly epic Romulan story/arc much like they developed the Klingon saga during the show. Most of all, I'd have liked to have seen "The Chase"followed up.

RAMA

I just watched The Chase for the first time in may years the other night. My feelings are the same as the Klingon commander in the episode, "That's all? If she were not dead, I would kill her."

Sooooooo damn dull. But that's a staple of TNG seasons six and seven.

Exactly, Im not surprised at all...the Klingons, Cardassians and yourself didn't "get it", the Romulan captain did....its one of the monumental, landmark episodes of all trek.

RAMA

 

[Arpy]

I loved "The Chase.". It could have been better, but is also could have been a freakin' movie it was so epic. Come to think of it, it was very TOS in that. "The Chase" and "All Good Things..." would have made better movies than what we got. BoBW too.

In the best of all possible worlds, they would have made seven TNG movies, each focusing on a different main character.

Cool signature BTW, RAMA.

 

[BillJ]

Exactly, Im not surprised at all...the Klingons, Cardassians and yourself didn't "get it", the Romulan captain did....its one of the monumental, landmark episodes of all trek.

I got it.

I just never saw what the big, damn deal was. Species are connected at the genetic level. So what? Why the puzzle? Why the need to act like it's such a secret? And as we all saw it didn't make a bit of difference in the state of galactic affairs. Then when you look at it in the greater landscape of Trek, was anyone actually surprised? We had already seen that these various groups were linked at the genetic level many, many times across the various Trek series.

If you think it was revealing some shocking secret, then you obviously hadn't been paying attention to Trek during the prior twenty-five years. The Chase was a weak attempt to explain something that people 'in-universe' and out already knew.

It was yet another bland 44 minute outing from TNG.

 

[Arpy]

"So what?" Tell that to the people in the evolution v. creationism fight. Tell someone today that they're distant relatives of the cheeseburger they're eating and watch their reaction.

And no it doesn't make sense that aliens should be related to each other at all: that's why they're aliens. They arose independently of one another. That Trek (starting with the first episode of TOS) and most sci-fi use humanoids is a conceit of storytelling that we usually have to ignore.

The episode addressed the humanoid problem in a creative and touching way. I still am not entirely comfortable with their addressing it at all, but the way they did tips me into the I'm okay with it group - the scene with Picard and the Romulan at the end was beautiful.

If anything, it undersold the huge story it told and that's where it could have been a movie or at least a two-parter. It had pacing problems I thought and was dull here and there, but I liked it a lot.

 

[Arpy]

"So what?" Tell that to the people in the evolution v. creationism fight. Tell someone today that they're distant relatives of the cheeseburger they're eating and watch their reaction.

And no it doesn't make sense that aliens should be related to each other at all: that's why they're aliens. They arose independently of one another. That Trek (starting with the first episode of TOS) and most sci-fi use humanoids is a conceit of storytelling that we usually have to ignore.

The episode addressed the humanoid problem in a creative and touching way. I still am not entirely comfortable with their addressing it at all, but the way they did tips me into the I'm okay with it group - the scene with Picard and the Romulan at the end was beautiful.

If anything, it undersold the huge story it told and that's where it could have been a movie or at least a two-parter. It had pacing problems I thought and was dull here and there, but I liked it a lot.

 

[BillJ]

And no it doesn't make sense that aliens should be related to each other at all: that's why they're aliens. They arose independently of one another. That Trek (starting with the first episode of TOS) and most sci-fi use humanoids is a conceit of storytelling that we usually have to ignore.

It's not about the simple conceit of everyone looking alike. It's about a universe where we have a half-Vulcan/half Human (Spock), a half-Klingon/half-Human (K'Ehleyr), a three-quarter Klingon/one-quarter Human (Alexander) plus a Klingon being a suitable 'ribosome' donor to a Romulan. And I know I'm overlooking other examples.

The Chase is a waste of time telling us a story that should be obvious to everyone 'in-universe' and out and doing it in a painfully dull way (which is it's biggest flaw).

 

[Arpy]

The half this and that are the result of medical intervention, not regular intercourse. Jadzia had her fingers crossed Bashirs could help her and Worf. Theyre aliens. Regardless of the fact that they can be helped to breed with each other, theyre can't naturally do so, anymore than cats and dogs who also have similar forms.

 

[od0_ital]

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The books have said that Sarek & Amanda had to get medical help to have Spock, but I don't remember it bein' part of the series canon.

Worf & Jadzia needed help, but I don't remember the Doctor talkin' about doin' anything special for Tom & B'Elanna to have their baby.

It could just be a simple fertility issue, ya know...

 

[BillJ]

The half this and that are the result of medical intervention, not regular intercourse. Jadzia had her fingers crossed Bashirs could help her and Worf. Theyre aliens. Regardless of the fact that they can be helped to breed with each other, theyre can't naturally do so, anymore than cats and dogs who also have similar forms.

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The books have said that Sarek & Amanda had to get medical help to have Spock, but I don't remember it bein' part of the series canon.

Worf & Jadzia needed help, but I don't remember the Doctor talkin' about doin' anything special for Tom & B'Elanna to have their baby.

It could just be a simple fertility issue, ya know...

It sounds like Miral Paris was the consequence of an unplanned pregnancy. Then of course there is also Naomi Wildman where no evidence exists that it was anything other than a natural pregnancy.

Speaking of on-screen material, only Dax and Worf are known of needing medical assistance in the pregnancy game. Perhaps Worf simply has a "narrow urethra" (someone will get this reference) like od0_ital pointed out above.

 

[Finn]

Didn't K'Ehleyr said her parents needed a lot of help?

 

[BillJ]

Didn't K'Ehleyr said her parents needed a lot of help?

Right you are.

K'EHLEYR: Actually, the DNA is compatible, with a fair amount of help. Rather like my parents.

It still seems compatible DNA would point to a common ancestry. Plus, Alexander was conceived from a one-night stand.