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Unresolved Trek trailer questions

...I don't find it likely that flying around the sun would send you back in time but it's there right up on screen...

That was said to be an interaction between the subspace field of the ship and the gravitational field of the star.

Now, when you have solid evidence on how a subspace bubble interacts with the gravity field of a star like Sol, and can prove such evidence shows this will NOT lead to time travel, let me know. :p
 
I never suggested that they did. It doesn't even take careful reading of my statements to understand I'm talking about manufacturing components on the ground and assembling them in orbit. Just like the ISS. Just like Roddenberry and company proposed back in 1966.
Unless we see the whole thing being lifed off from the ground in one piece, just assume the assembly seen in the trailer scene was part of a systems test before its broken down into sections and shipped into orbit to be finalized and made spaceworthy.

The big problem with building it in space is that its easier for people to work without spacesuits and with gravity that they're used to. More people are going to be qualified for ground-based construction than work in a space dock. Build as much of it on the ground as you can.
 
I never suggested that they did. It doesn't even take careful reading of my statements to understand I'm talking about manufacturing components on the ground and assembling them in orbit. Just like the ISS. Just like Roddenberry and company proposed back in 1966.
Unless we see the whole thing being lifed off from the ground in one piece, just assume the assembly seen in the trailer scene was part of a systems test before its broken down into sections and shipped into orbit to be finalized and made spaceworthy.

The big problem with building it in space is that its easier for people to work without spacesuits and with gravity that they're used to. More people are going to be qualified for ground-based construction than work in a space dock. Build as much of it on the ground as you can.


Not sure, but I do recall seeing the whole ship ascending through the clouds in the trailer.
 
I never suggested that they did. It doesn't even take careful reading of my statements to understand I'm talking about manufacturing components on the ground and assembling them in orbit. Just like the ISS. Just like Roddenberry and company proposed back in 1966.
Unless we see the whole thing being lifed off from the ground in one piece, just assume the assembly seen in the trailer scene was part of a systems test before its broken down into sections and shipped into orbit to be finalized and made spaceworthy.

The big problem with building it in space is that its easier for people to work without spacesuits and with gravity that they're used to. More people are going to be qualified for ground-based construction than work in a space dock. Build as much of it on the ground as you can.

I think we're close to agreement now. My only objection is that a popular trope in harder SF and space opera (although suspiciously lacking in Trek), is that of the "spacer"; a seasoned, lives-life-a-millimeter-from-death worker whose means of earning a living involves almost constant exposure to weightlessness and vacuum. They survive because experience has taught them that every move is considered before executed. Such a character would likely argue that working in space is perfectly safe ... for those who pay attention to their actions.

But as I say, there are few spacers to be found in Trek. I think Mayweather was the first potential such character, but we never saw him exercise much expertise. I credit that to unimaginative writers who probably lacked familiarity with the possibilities his character presented. Add to that Matt Jefferies' belief that all repairs should be able to be done in a pressurized, shirt-sleeve environment, and a picture begins to emerge of a society that fears space as much as it works in it.

Now don't point at that and start crowing. That's more of an uncanonical extrapolation than saying the Enterprise should be built in space, but it's worth considering.
 
...I don't find it likely that flying around the sun would send you back in time but it's there right up on screen...

That was said to be an interaction between the subspace field of the ship and the gravitational field of the star.

Now, when you have solid evidence on how a subspace bubble interacts with the gravity field of a star like Sol, and can prove such evidence shows this will NOT lead to time travel, let me know. :p
Actually in the Scientific process usually the Hypothosis needs to be successfully proven and sent to peer review before it's believed... So you go prove that it can be done.
 
I never suggested that they did. It doesn't even take careful reading of my statements to understand I'm talking about manufacturing components on the ground and assembling them in orbit. Just like the ISS. Just like Roddenberry and company proposed back in 1966.
Unless we see the whole thing being lifed off from the ground in one piece, just assume the assembly seen in the trailer scene was part of a systems test before its broken down into sections and shipped into orbit to be finalized and made spaceworthy.

The big problem with building it in space is that its easier for people to work without spacesuits and with gravity that they're used to. More people are going to be qualified for ground-based construction than work in a space dock. Build as much of it on the ground as you can.

I think we're close to agreement now. My only objection is that a popular trope in harder SF and space opera (although suspiciously lacking in Trek), is that of the "spacer"; a seasoned, lives-life-a-millimeter-from-death worker whose means of earning a living involves almost constant exposure to weightlessness and vacuum. They survive because experience has taught them that every move is considered before executed. Such a character would likely argue that working in space is perfectly safe ... for those who pay attention to their actions.

But as I say, there are few spacers to be found in Trek. I think Mayweather was the first potential such character, but we never saw him exercise much expertise. I credit that to unimaginative writers who probably lacked familiarity with the possibilities his character presented. Add to that Matt Jefferies' belief that all repairs should be able to be done in a pressurized, shirt-sleeve environment, and a picture begins to emerge of a society that fears space as much as it works in it.

Now don't point at that and start crowing. That's more of an uncanonical extrapolation than saying the Enterprise should be built in space, but it's worth considering.

You know even though you have veteran High Steel Construction workers there are accidents and people die. It would be the same in space neither one is any safer. It just makes a certain sense to build on the ground, fit and put the ship in pieces together in space, even if they were building it on the moon. There's just no place to set down your tool box in space....
(yes I'm ending on a joke.)
 
In the second shot of 'em there's even a wisp of vapor coming off of one. I see clouds today and am confident I will see clouds tomorrow.

I look forward to you trying to maintain that confidence when the HD screen shots start to appear.
They're just unusual clouds to make the scene look artsy. I can't believe that there's this much discussion over clouds. I can see the Enterprise if I stare at this photo long enough. :rolleyes:

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Except that the "clouds" in the trailer have very clear, rigid geometric lines and corners.
 
They also appear identically in two shots separated by several years - you can see them in the far distance during the Corvette chase scene, and again during James Dean Kirk's motorcycle jaunt.
 
It's hard for me to believe in a future with time travel and antigravity that clouds can't be shaped in any way we see fit! ;)
 
Thought I'd chime in on the Enterprise built on the ground v. space construction.

Despite all the discussion of the scientific feasibility and such, the scene of the Enterprise being built on the ground is immediate and visceral. There is a sense of awe in seeing the structure under construction on the ground. It's much the same feeling I got when I was at Kennedy Space Center and saw the space shuttle on the gantry.

The scene is visual and dynamic; not to mention, breaks the cliche of seeing yet another starship in yet another orbital dock. Yawn! When TMP did it, it was breathtaking and emotional. But it's been done over and over again in Trek. The reveal of the Enterprise construction is much more emotional and a better payoff to anything I've seen in the last decade of Trek.

Obviously, the writers asked themselves, "how do you show the Enterprise again and make it new, dynamic and different than before?" Well, what's the one thing we've never really seen of the original starship-- on the ground and under construction.

The scene of Kirk pulling up to the construction site in the trailer gives weight to the ship and to the emotional connection that Kirk will later develop for this particular woman. Yes, Trek has tried for the most part to stay "scietifically" true but it's hemmed and hawed it's way through so much technobabble that it's become stale.

The ground construction is visceral and emotional. That's all the explanation I need. It makes me want to believe in the future again and that it is possible that one day we will venture far beyond. It sparks the childhood imagination I had when watching the original series.
 
Speaking of space dock - I think you can just about see the new version of the "mushroom" in the trailer - it seems to a series of interconnected domes?
 
Speaking of space dock - I think you can just about see the new version of the "mushroom" in the trailer - it seems to a series of interconnected domes?

I'm hoping that the series of 'shrooms turns out to be some sort of orbital (L5?) space habitat. That's one of the things that's constantly missing from Trek Earth shots.
 
Yeah, they must be everywhere. Finally, a Star Trek version of future Earth that doesn't look totally uninspiring.
 
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