United Earth

[Jax]

After having a discussion about the MACO's in another thread, it got be thinking about this organisation that doesn't get mentioned too often and there is not alot on wiki info on it either. So correct me if am wrong, please but the United Earth came out of WW3 & First Contact where it's purpose was to unite all of humanity and rebuild, while always maintaining peace over conflict, sort of a UN that actually works. Starfleet and United Earth were separate agencies pre Federation and didn't really co-operate too much due to different mandates, one exploring space and alliances with other species and the other was solely about Earth domestic affairs?

Do you think TPTB missed a big opportunity to develop a storyline here? especially when the show did the 2 part Terra Prime storyline. I would of liked to see the Terra Prime group come from within United Earth, who feared that Starfleet was giving away Earth, especially after the Xindi attack. A sort of coup d'etat that put it in direct conflict with Starfleet for the battle of Earth (A little like Paradise Lost in DS9). It would of been nice to have seen United Earth Military built up over the show, showing it having a sizable defence force of Earth and the solar system with ships n man power and a brief arc of several episodes that basically saw Earth undergo a civil war with Terra Prime leading the inital charge leading into the Coalition of Planets which eventually became the United Federation of Planets. It would also seem logical that in this scenario, Section 31 was created from United Earth Military offices to make sure Earth and later the Federation's interest were protected by any means necessary.

Hell you could of even had the Romulans, manipulating the whole affair if you wanted as they were desperate for the COP/UFP to ever exist as it would change the balance of power in the Quadrant. Just an idea

 

[Nyotarules]

Terra Prime did come from United Earth, they were humans who were Earth citizens. Am I misunderstanding your question?
United Earth is the government of Earth
Starfleet was the NASA of Earth, they come under UE jurisdiction. Whoever is head of the UE government (President or Prime Minister) is their Commander in Chief
MACO some kind of military organisation from Earth's armed forces who are also under the UE.
If Earth did undergo a civil war there would be no Coalition of Planets including Earth, the Vulcans, the Denobulans and Andorians would up sticks and leave humans to fight it out. Why would they want an alliance with a bunch of barbarians still fighting each other?
If you want to know how Earth would fare if Terra Prime had won read Myriad Universe Infinity's Prism- A less perfect union

 

[Jax]

United Earth Military and Starfleet were separate right? So I guess what am saying is United Earth Military taking over the United Earth government or parts of it. Also by civil war I don't mean a large scale conflict lasting months or years, something similar to Paradise Lost in DS9 but maybe a bigger battle. Earth would rise out of it to create the Coalition of Planets and then the UFP. I just feel it would of been to see more Earth domestic stories at some point during ENT's run especially if we had ever got to see the Earth/Romulan War where factions within the United Earth were actively trying to stop Earth alliances with other races like Terra Prime did. Also I feel it's a backdoor to have more Romulan in the story but in the shadows of course.

Why would they want an alliance with a bunch of barbarians still fighting each other?

Vulcans had undergone a brief civil war of sorts with the Vulcan arc in season 4 + Andorians and Tellarites were at each other's throats it would seem so, all the species came out of conflict and one could hardly accuse the other of being something they weren't themselves. Again I just think its something that could of been expanded upon that's all.

 

[Nyotarules]

Ok I get you. It would make an interesting story. I would watch it, but my guess is most fans want Star trek to be about getting off the planet and meeting or fighting new aliens. Such a story of conflict based on Earth re how far Earth deals with the galactic community or does it take an extreme racist, isolationist Terra Prime route, would not even need to have Romulans involved. (It does not take much for humans to treat something different as 'The Other,' consider how things are in real life). After the Xindi conflict I can see xenophobia raising its ugly head, especially as humans have been told Vulcans have held them back for 100 years. Would be interesting to see why that took place and for Vulcan to be vindicated if Humans turn out to be a bunch of rabid humanistas seeing aliens as the enemy.
The Vulcan reformation and the almost Vulcan - Andorian war took place before the Coalition of planets was set up. The successful resolutions of those conflicts, along with the Babel Conference and the Romulan interferences helped with the idea.

 

[Jax]

but my guess is most fans want Star trek to be about getting off the planet and meeting or fighting new aliens.

I agree, I was thinking just along the way a small story arc (a little more than what we got with Terra Prime/Demons). It's a pity we never got to see the Romulan War arc too, it could of provided even more fuel for such a story.

 

[Nyotarules]

Vulcans had undergone a brief civil war of sorts with the Vulcan arc in season 4 + Andorians and Tellarites were at each other's throats it would seem so, all the species came out of conflict and one could hardly accuse the other of being something they weren't themselves. Again I just think its something that could of been expanded upon that's all.

The meeting of the Coalition of planets took place after the succesful resolution of those events. However if Terra Prime had succeeded in destroying Starfleet HQ and an Earth civil war take place (Vulcan did not have a civil war, they had a coup) you really think the offworlders would have stuck around where they were not wanted? No way! Earth would be lucky the Andorians did not blast them to kingdom come.

 

[Jax]

The meeting of the Coalition of planets took place after the succesful resolution of those events

Well obviously you would need to change the story of course from what we saw. I am talking about how they could of gone about doing things differently from the start.

No way! Earth would be lucky the Andorians did not blast them to kingdom come.

In this scenario have offworlders evacuated and the conflict strictly between Earth ships n military. I would expect the races would of refused to help Starfleet against the Terra Prime UE faction though am sure Archer could of got Shran to help The story would of ended quickly like Paradise Lost but instead of just Defiant vs 1 ship in that story, in this we would of briefly had two Earth fleets engage . However for that, you would of needed a more robust Earth fleet, which we never really saw in the show so you would have to amend that. Never made sense to me how defenseless Earth was and how light on ships Starfleet was, how would of they ever done the Romulan War arc properly had the show done 5-7 seasons?

 

[Nyotarules]

For this to work, with the result that Earth still becomes a part of the COP, the Terra Prime infiltration in the government and military would need to be small. The rest of the 'galaxy', (Andoria, Vulcan etc) especially the Vulcans under T'Pau, would not have Earth as part of a COP knowing the majority of its leaders and peoples are Terra Prime sympathisers, it just would not work.
If Terra Prime had won, and deported all pro alien sympathisers depending on how many that would be (millions?) Archer and the anti TP side could move to Alpha Centauri. An economic blockade of Earth might just do the trick and show TP what isolationism is like. Paxton would die, since he would be deprived of alien medicine for his illness. (no loss there). And the COP and eventual Federation can be set up without Earth's involvement but with the Human diaspora. (Alpha Centuri, Mars etc).
That book I recommended tells you what happens when Earth does not join the COP in the 22nd century.

 

[Nyotarules]

Have you read The Good that men do and The Romulan war stories, it explains about the other ships Starfleet has apart from the NX series.

 

[Jax]

COP knowing the majority of its leaders and peoples are Terra Prime sympathisers, it just would not work.

Not a majority just a faction, sizable yes but not a majority. Also with all due respect the writers can make anything work really well almost anything (sadly TATV is still shit lol) There would need to be a healing period but you could still make a federation out of it down the line. I would of made the CoP using the original Terra Prime/Demons storyline and then the Romulan War followed with this brief Earth conflict leading to the suspension of the CoP but further down the line, the UFP will finally emerge. However Enterprise would of needed to go 5-7 seasons to flesh it out properly I guess.

Have you read The Good that men do and The Romulan war stories, it explains about the other ships Starfleet has apart from the NX series

No, I don't tend to read much Star Trek literature. Also far as I am aware no books have ever been made part of official cannon?

 

[Nyotarules]

No, I don't tend to read much Star Trek literature. Also far as I am aware no books have ever been made part of official cannon?

No they are not part of official canon, but they do expand on what happens after the travesty (TATV) and do it pretty well.

 

[Jax]

but they do expand on what happens after the travesty (TATV)

Do they take B&B out of the timeline

 

[Nyotarules]

Not a majority just a faction, sizable yes but not a majority. Also with all due respect the writers can make anything work really well almost anything (sadly TATV is still shit lol) There would need to be a healing period but you could still make a federation out of it down the line. I would of made the CoP using the original Terra Prime/Demons storyline and then the Romulan War followed with this brief Earth conflict leading to the suspension of the CoP but further down the line, the UFP will finally emerge. However Enterprise would of needed to go 5-7 seasons to flesh it out properly I guess.

For me writers need to make things believable, its why TATV is such an insult. The believablity factor is close to zero and its not even entertaining!

No, I don't tend to read much Star Trek literature. Also far as I am aware no books have ever been made part of official cannon?

No they are not part of official canon, but they expand on what happens after the travesty of TATV and are worth reading IMO.

 

[Nyotarules]

Do they take B&B out of the timeline

Even better they expose all the plot holes in that stupid episode. Holes big enough to push B&B through!

 

[Jax]

Maybe that's how ST09 really began, Spock & Nero actually fell through one of those holes

 

[Nyotarules]

Maybe that's how ST09 really began, Spock & Nero actually fell through one of those holes

Well ST09 started off alright until they made inexperienced Cadet Kirk Captain of the Enterprise and gave only him a medal to boot (I fell about laughing my butt off). But I am still wondering how all those starships from Earth made it to Vulcan in one day???? mmmm

 

[Jax]

Well I love ST09 but yeh, there are a few plots I would of tweaked here and there.

 

[Nyotarules]

Well I love ST09 but yeh, there are a few plots I would of tweaked here and there.

The whole Star trek franchise is full of holes, some bigger and better than others but TATV is King of em!

 

[a thousand-yard stare]

(It does not take much for humans to treat something different as 'The Other,' consider how things are in real life)

It is inbuilt - yin and yang, myself and the other - "The Left Hand of Darkness"

 

[Tenacity]

especially the Vulcans under T'Pau, would not have Earth as part of a COP knowing the majority of its leaders and peoples are Terra Prime sympathisers, it just would not work.

Why not? Vulcans have been shown through out the various series to largely have a "Vulcan Prime" philosophy towards Humans and other species. The Vulcans make the Earth Prime people look like rank beginners.

The Vulcans probably fully expect the other members of the CoP to hold similar species-centric views to their own.

Hardly a reason not to have a species in the CoP.

United Earth is the government of Earth

I think more what the OP said, a United Nations that works. A intergovernmental organization, and less a all encompassing world-wide single nation/state. Kind of like the current "world government" that meets in Dubai every year.

Starfleet was the NASA of Earth, they come under UE jurisdiction. Whoever is head of the UE government (President or Prime Minister) is their Commander in Chief

The exact relationship between Starfleet and the UE is unclear, there is a association obviously, but maybe not that Starfleet directly takes orders from the UE leadership.

MACO some kind of military organisation from Earth's armed forces who are also under the UE.

I like the idea I read here a few years ago that the MACO's are a part of one of Earth's national militaries, and wer "loaned" to Starfleet, somewhat like how military units today go on peacekeeping mission through the United Nations.