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Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility be?

Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility

Well that is not true.

In what ways isn't it true?

Well for me personally it isn't true. I have tremendous disgust and disdain for a man who "can't keep it in his pants" as the saying goes.

It has always disgusted me to see "men" taking risks all for a piece of tail.

Well, then we agree on something, to a point anyway. I believe in sexual liberation, but also responsibility, and I hate the notion that a woman is a "whore" because she is comfortable in her sexuality, yet a man isn't. It's a ridiculous double standard, but it still exists.

No, no, now remember, it's very simple, folks: If a man has sex with a woman, it makes him a "real man"/"stud"/"player". If a woman has sex with a man, it makes her "easy"/"loose"/"a slut"/"a whore".

See? Simple.


I wish I could be so simple minded :rolleyes:


If thats the way you feel, that says volumes about you.

I was being facetious. ;)

^ Humor. It is a difficult concept.

Indeed. :vulcan:
 
Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility

Will if you think a man should be fully obligated why are you stating that the woman has superior rights? She hasn't.

I'm saying you can make the argument that the womans (sic) rights are superior given that you're basically giving a woman (through the right to have an abortion) control over a mans (sic) genetic heritage.

Look - if you're going to troll, try harder. This is just appalling. Plus, the only person on this planet who might have given two shits about your "genetic heritage" was the fictional Doctor Moreau.

And he only gives one shit.
 
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You have no right to tell women what to do with their bodies.
Can't say I see it that way.

And this is why politicians who think the way you do are so profoundly dangerous.

Grown women are not property. They are not second-class citizens. They are not to be told what to do with their own bodies like a small child. Not in a just and decent society that preaches equality.

I guarantee if you could get pregnant your worldview would change almost 180 degrees.
 
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You have no right to tell women what to do with their bodies.

Can't say I see it that way. Let's just call it even and move on.
How patriarchal and sexist to assume you can tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies.

How narrowminded and bigoted for you (and others here) to insist that I be willing to have my genetic legacy held hostage to the whims of a female.

When women can become pregnant without sperm then they should have complete control of their bodies.

Not before.

Deal with it.
 
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It's her genetic legacy, too. And she has to carry the byproduct for nine whole months while you sit back and do nothing but complain about her morning sickness and mood swings. It's not all about your sperm, your surname and your ego.

And seriously? "Whims of a female"? You speak like the woman isn't even a person. It's nauseating.
 
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It's her genetic legacy, too. .

Absolutely. It is 50/50 then.

But you can't divide a baby in half, so a woman should carry a baby fully to term if the man wants the child and is willing to fully release the woman from any continuing legal, parental, or financial responsibilities.
 
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It's her genetic legacy, too. .

Absolutely. It is 50/50 then.

But you can't divide a baby in half, so a woman should carry a baby fully to term if the man wants the child and is willing to fully release the woman from any continuing legal, parental, or financial responsibilities.

No. It is her body, it is her right. She will be the one to go through the travails of carrying a fetus to term. It is her choice whether to do so or not. It is not any man's choice, nor should it be.
 
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But you can't divide a baby in half, so a woman should carry a baby fully to term if the man wants the child and is willing to fully release the woman from any continuing legal, parental, or financial responsibilities.

It's not that simple. Mothers have inextricable emotional and biological bonds to their newborns and expecting her to simply give up the child to the father and have nothing more whatsoever to do with the baby is just awful. In other words, the baby is more HIS than it is hers so the man still gets preferential treatment at the expense of the woman. She's just an incubator to carry the child to term, then to hell with her so the man can have custody of his "genetic heritage/legacy."

Brilliant. Keep that banner of Model Parenting flying high.
 
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But you can't divide a baby in half, so a woman should carry a baby fully to term if the man wants the child and is willing to fully release the woman from any continuing legal, parental, or financial responsibilities.

It's not that simple. Mothers have inextricable emotional and biological bonds to their newborns and expecting her to simply give up the child to the father and have nothing more whatsoever to do with the baby is just awful. In other words, the baby is more HIS than it is hers so the man still gets preferential treatment at the expense of the woman. She's just an incubator to carry the child to term, then to hell with her so the man can have custody of his "genetic heritage/legacy."

Brilliant. Keep that banner of Model Parenting flying high.

Hell, I'm surprised he didn't say "Damn, fool, Woman" at the end of his post.
 
Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility

Once again.

When have "rights" been based on "risks"?
You have no right to tell women what to do with their bodies.

Can't say I see it that way. Let's just call it even and move on.

and yet anyone who's read your postings in other forums know how much you bleat if some-one else tells you what to do.

I'm pretty sure there's a word to describe that sort of behavior.
 
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But you can't divide a baby in half, so a woman should carry a baby fully to term if the man wants the child and is willing to fully release the woman from any continuing legal, parental, or financial responsibilities.

It's not that simple. Mothers have inextricable emotional and biological bonds to their newborns and expecting her to simply give up the child to the father and have nothing more whatsoever to do with the baby is just awful

By that line of reasoning, a woman EVER giving up a child for adoption is "just awful".

Can't say I agree with that either. By all rights, there should be hundreds of thousands of more babies available for adoption in the U.S. every year.

I wish people would get off the obsession with the rights of people though and think more about "responsibilities".

Including the responsibility of pregnant women to their unborn child.

But I realize that here on this board, few if any people are willing to agree to anything if they see it as imposing some burden on women.
 
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Yes, ladies and gentlemen.

It's a Very Special Knight Templar Christmas™.
 
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A man cannot be forced to give bone marrow against his will even if his own already born child needs it.

so why, should a woman be forced to give her womb for a fetus against her will?
 
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Both mothers and fathers ought to be responsible to their children, as I see it, whether born yet or unborn. And both parents' wants ought to be subordinated to their responsibilities to their children. That is an enormous commitment, yes. But one that both parties should consider before engaging in acts that could lead to children.

I say that as someone who is capable of getting pregnant. It is a tremendous responsibility, to carry, nourish, and guard over another life, one who cannot defend him/herself and relies on you to do that--and that is a trust I would not ever dare betray, regardless of whether my child is old enough to understand that trust and reliance. To believe that the life of a child I might carry comes ahead of my own life and desires does not mean any sort of subservience to men.

As far as a man's connection to his or her son or daughter--born or unborn--I agree that speaking in terms of nothing but a genetic legacy is a very, very bad idea. There is so much more to motherhood and fatherhood than mere genetics, when the relationship is as it should be. It's about love, responsibility, and care, and seeing the development of this new person who has something of you, something of your husband, and something that is wholly unique to him or her.

But I should point out that a man who is truly present for his or her child in the way that he ought to be bonds with him or her too. His bond is not a lesser or inferior bond--it arises differently but it is equally real and to be respected. I do think good men are capable of understanding and treasuring that bond despite the callous behavior of deadbeats who clearly do not. And I would rather see a child alive and cared for by a loving single father, or by an adoptive family, than never given a chance at life at all.

In regard to the question posed earlier in the thread--it should have been obvious how I feel about how children should be treated once they are born: they should be cared for. I think some people missed the forest for the trees, because I was mainly discussing explaining the how of it. But the general intent should have been obvious.
 
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