Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility be?

[horatio83]

Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility

I care no more about his death than I would if one of the furnace operators in a concentration camp in Nazi Germany was murdered.

A lynching fan trying to rationalize his totally lack of ethics via anti-fascist rhetoric. I love involuntary self-irony. Why don't you tell us whom else you decided to lynch on the last Klan meeting?

You know full well I've never been a member of the Klan.

A guy with the nickname Knight Templar who advocates lynching certainly doesn't communicate that he isn't.

 

[Gov Kodos]

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A lynching fan trying to rationalize his totally lack of ethics via anti-fascist rhetoric. I love involuntary self-irony. Why don't you tell us whom else you decided to lynch on the last Klan meeting?

You know full well I've never been a member of the Klan.

And how do we know that?

Indeed, he could be a card carrying member. It wouldn't be surprising, really.

 

[Gov Kodos]

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IIRC, one of the doctors certifying that carrying the fetus to term would cause substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function was not supposed to do so.

At any rate, killiing a near full term infant just because of some nebulous "impairment" to the mother is murder pure and simple.

So, aborting a fetus which, even if it is healthy, has no possible way to feed or support itself is murder, even to save the life of a woman who is already a living, breathing, self-aware, functioning member of society?


Go drink a bottle of Draino, shitstain.

There is nothing about the womans life being endangered by the pregnancy in the abortions Tiller performed that I'm referencing.

and remember the forum you're posting in lady.

Stop behaving like a craven, condescending hypocrite and you might get a different reaction.

 

[IndyJones]

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A lynching fan trying to rationalize his totally lack of ethics via anti-fascist rhetoric. I love involuntary self-irony. Why don't you tell us whom else you decided to lynch on the last Klan meeting?

You know full well I've never been a member of the Klan.

And how do we know that?

They turned him down, on account of him being a half-breed.

 

[Paulcpick]

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Stop behaving like a craven, condescending hypocrite and you might get a different reaction.

Ive been mostly avoiding posting in this thread because its a black hole, but your one to speak there buddy......

Youve done nothing to prove your any better, just the tail end of the coin.

 

[IndyJones]

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Stop behaving like a craven, condescending hypocrite and you might get a different reaction.

Ive been mostly avoiding posting in this thread because its a black hole, but your one to speak there buddy......

Youve done nothing to prove your any better, just the tail end of the coin.

Is there a shortage of apostrophes in Texas that I'm unaware of?

No?

Then make an effort to write in an intelligible manner.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

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I know it's almost asking the impossible in a thread discussing abortion, but can everyone please knock off the name calling and personal insults? I'd rather not have to close down the thread since it was actually moving along fairly reasonably for a while, the stubbornness and tangential posts of one person notwithstanding.

 

[Paulcpick]

Re: Unexpected/unwanted pregnancies: what should guys' responsibility

Stop behaving like a craven, condescending hypocrite and you might get a different reaction.

Ive been mostly avoiding posting in this thread because its a black hole, but your one to speak there buddy......

Youve done nothing to prove your any better, just the tail end of the coin.

Is there a shortage of apostrophes in Texas that I'm unaware of?

No?

Then make an effort to write in an intelligible manner.

are you the grammar police or something? Will I get a fine or something? Heaven forbid!
What I said for very intelligible, maybe you need a reminder of the definition of intelligible.
"Intelligible": Able to be understood.

 

[Knight Templar]

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Ease off everyone. Regardless of my beliefs about George Tiller (who I did not bring up) I shouldn't have said what I said about his death outside the Neutral Zone.

I apologize for the near thread derail.

 

[Tora Ziyal]

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What I said for very intelligible, maybe you need a reminder of the definition of intelligible.
"Intelligible": Able to be understood.

"What I said for very intelligible..."

Yeah, very.

 

[Paulcpick]

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I aim to please. You to used your cunning wit and sharp sarcasm to prove that Intelligibility are separate from grammar and sentence structure, which was my point.



anyway, back on topic, gonna lob this out there.....
Abortion is bad.

 

[BillJ]

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Abortion is bad.

Like most things here on Planet Earth, it depends on the circumstances.

 

[Marc]

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In an attempt to get this thread at least somewhat back on track...I give you well-known Anti-Choice extremist Randall Terry and his videotaped statement in the wake of the murder of the abortion services provider Dr. George Tiller.

This is the mindset of far too many on the Anti-Choice/Pro-Life/Whatever side of things. A rigid, unflinching and dogmatic zeal that, tragically, doesn't tend to apply to babies after they're born. Guys like this are among the first to support budget cuts for pediatric and childhood programs because of their right-wing zeal in other areas of life and society.

I don't condone murder CE but if anyone ever deserved to die it was Dr. Tiller.

That's the "pro-life" movement for you.

A man practicing medicine legally is gunned down...in Church, for God's sake....and he deserved it.

Forget the whole justice system, rule of law, trials, consitutional rights, and all that. Let's just murder people who we don't like because "they deserve it".

Pro-Life, my ass.

take it one step further and look at where much of the support for the death penalty comes from.

As pointed the people only care until the moment the baby crowns then they don't give a shit (unless it somehow impacts them such as a need for social services at which point they'll bleat about single mothers etc etc).

Gross hypocrisy at it's finest by people who claim to be Christians but show a major failure in understanding it's teachings (instead chosing to re-interpret and rewrite the bible to suit their own interpretation).

Take away the difference in methods and there's no difference between a fundementalist Christian and a islamofacist - they both want to subject people to their (and only their interpretation) of the religious text.

Hell they even worship the same God the only difference is the messenger/prophet.

 

[cooleddie74]

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Personal experience relating to this topic, dating back two whole decades: I knew a guy in high school. Actually, let's call him a blithering idiot who happened to have male genitalia. That'd be more accurate. Anyways, at the time we graduated together he was dating a fellow student we both knew.

Long story short, that summer we graduated he impregnated the girl and, after finding out she had missed her next cycle and then failed a pregnancy test, he split town to stay with relatives out-of-state while the situation with the girl's family exploded to almost apocalyptic levels. He eventually came back, but insisted that she and her parents had no moral or legal right to make him support the baby. He felt since he hadn't intended to get her pregnant and had allegedly been the one to insist on using a condom(she supposedly didn't like condoms and said no), he felt he had no responsibilities whatsoever and even claimed that he'd find a legal way of getting around child support with the help of someone in his family who was a lawyer. After all, he was planning on going to UVa that fall and didn't want being a new father interfering with college. Heaven forbid his frat initiation, heavy drinking and mojo be loused up by having a love child.

He ended up having to pay child support, visit and spend time with his kid.

The whole thing was a sad, embarrassing mess for both sides and I stayed out of it, but if this thread needed a specific example of a guy who did his best to skirt being a responsible father to a child he helped conceive then you have one. Like I said, idiot with male genitalia.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

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If we want to be totally objective about it, human life is bad. Humans destroy this planet, destroy each other, and destroy themselves. We're a fucking menace.

By that logic, abortion is good, because it means fewer humans.

 

[Knight Templar]

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If we want to be totally objective about it, human life is bad. Humans destroy this planet, destroy each other, and destroy themselves. We're a fucking menace.

By that logic, abortion is good, because it means fewer humans.

I believe human life is instrinsically valuable (as long as it is not a threat to other human life).

 

[Deckerd]

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Intrinsically valuable to whom? To the person who has it for sure but to anyone else?

 

[Knight Templar]

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Intrinsically valuable to whom? To the person who has it for sure but to anyone else?

Valuable to the universe as a whole.

 

[Deckerd]

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I doubt it.

 

[{ Emilia }]

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Intrinsically valuable to whom? To the person who has it for sure but to anyone else?

Valuable to the universe as a whole.

I don't think the universe cares because, you know, it's not sentient.