Uncle Jack from VOY "11:59"
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So, in the days before subspace a message took only weeks to travel light years?
We probably can or should chalk this up to the characters being mistaken, misinformed or not remembering history correctly. Kinda flies in the face of the rest of established Trek even without Enterprise.
You know, it would have been interesting if they could have set a show during this time period and kept consistent with such details - slower ships, communications taking weeks. I'm not meaning the thrilling adventures of a sleeper ship - "this week watch as the cryotube ices over!" Just a more simpler time.
We probably can or should chalk this up to the characters being mistaken, misinformed or not remembering history correctly. Kinda flies in the face of the rest of established Trek even without Enterprise.
You know, it would have been interesting if they could have set a show during this time period and kept consistent with such details - slower ships, communications taking weeks. I'm not meaning the thrilling adventures of a sleeper ship - "this week watch as the cryotube ices over!" Just a more simpler time.
That's another reason why Harry was not promoted: he couldn't get his facts straight.
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Yep. He probably meant to say 2110. Paris's comment about "deep space" could easily be taken as hyperbole, though - "next star over" compared to what they're capable of in their present.
As said, Harry getting the year wrong would make the rest of the story work just fine.
Harrison Tyler of Sherwood Forest, Virginia (born 1928) had a half uncle who was a colonel in the war.
In World War I? No. The Spanish-American War. No. The Civil War. No. The Mexican-American War of 1846-1848, 169-171 years ago. Of course when Harrison Tyler as Harry Kim's age the Mexican-American War was only about 110 years earlier.
More likely Uncle Jack may have been in suspended animation or stasis for a century or two and then married a much younger woman who was a much older aunt of Harry Kim.
In World War I? No. The Spanish-American War. No. The Civil War. No. The Mexican-American War of 1846-1848, 169-171 years ago. Of course when Harrison Tyler as Harry Kim's age the Mexican-American War was only about 110 years earlier.
More likely Uncle Jack may have been in suspended animation or stasis for a century or two and then married a much younger woman who was a much older aunt of Harry Kim.
That's more likely than Harry flubbing a number and no one being a jerk enough to interrupt the story just for the sake of pedantically pointing it out? How exactly are you defining "likely"?
Tom stated that 2210 was when deep space meant the next star over. This was before Kim elaborated on the story. That makes me skeptical about the "he meant to say 2110" theory.
I was thinking maybe Uncle Jack is not blood related and an alien with a longer lifespan than humans who married Kim's Aunt. This gets past the uncle from 165 years ago problem. Also it would make it possible that Kim was referring to alien history instead of Earth history.
The story says they came from Earth so their race was staying on Earth at the time. The federation must not have wanted to share faster warp technology with them yet because of the prime directive.
I was thinking maybe Uncle Jack is not blood related and an alien with a longer lifespan than humans who married Kim's Aunt. This gets past the uncle from 165 years ago problem. Also it would make it possible that Kim was referring to alien history instead of Earth history.
The story says they came from Earth so their race was staying on Earth at the time. The federation must not have wanted to share faster warp technology with them yet because of the prime directive.
Though I think it would already be a strech to have Kim refer casually to that figure as just 'uncle Jack' if he lived 160 years ago, let alone 260 years ago (and I don't mean whether he was a great-great uncle or a great-great-great uncle or so). Most 'active' family memories don't even go back that far. Unless 'uncle jack' had gained a hero status in his family, and he became known to later generations simply under that name.
I don't know. I don't know a lot about Kim's specific heritage - and looking at Memory Alpha, that's because there isn't a lot to know - but many Asian cultures are very serious about honoring their ancestors. So maybe that's why he's still giving him the honorific of "Uncle"?
Agreed. But the 2110 theory still works in Toms statement still applied in 2210. Remember Lt. Tyler was regaling the imaginary survivors of the S.S. Columbia crash from 18 years prior about how the time barrier had been broken. In fact he though these people wouldn't believe how fast they could get back to earth. So apparently some significant speed breakthrough occurred between the 2230's and 2250's.
