Umm... ship design question-
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Think you have some pretty good explanations above.
As far as the Enterprise from Star Trek 2009. The proportions of it feel 'wrong'. I don't necessarily think they were that far away from having something workable. Re-work the nacelles and move them farther apart would be a tremendous start.
And the difference is?
I'd like the E better if the area around the bridge and trialing aft was smoother, also highlighting the lifeboats has never made sense to me, why identify their location (or the location of anything) to a potential enemy?
Would look nicer in white or white-blue instead of gray.
As far as the mega-prise from ST Eleven, I thought the saucer section, taken in isolation, was just fine.
We don't get involved in soccer riots for one thing.
And which parts of the Sov look like an excelsior class? I've never seen it. And I get the similarity to the Intrepid class, the lack of a neck between the saucer and engineering hull, but I don't see why that is "horrible".
That's always been my impression. It looks as if someone asked Harley J. Earl to design a starship. While he was drunk.
Si. I'm still trying to understand why everyone said "that old 1960s-designed ship won't fly with a 2009 audience - it needs to be redesigned," and the redesign looks like a 1956 Cadillac.
That's a verrrrry interesting point.
The Enterprise-E is beautiful in its proportions, but ugly in detail. Like others pointed out, the design is way too busy to be considered beautiful. But it's rather elegant in proportions - that is, saucer size, nacelles, placement, ratio, etc.
The ST09 Enterprise is the exact opposite. Clean and beautiful up close, but an awkward kludge viewed as a whole.
The ST09 Enterprise is the exact opposite. Clean and beautiful up close, but an awkward kludge viewed as a whole.
Almost exactly the opposite opinion here.
And it needs repeating IMO.That's a verrrrry interesting point.
Don't you believe that for a second. A lot of the complaints about the nuEnterprise are tied into complaints about Star Trek XI itself, but the Enterprise-E received a fair amount of criticism too when it first came out and more with each subsequent film it appeared in.To many here, the Abramsprise sucks, but the Enterprise-E is acceptable????
Please, help me with this.
But as with pretty much every starship that has borne the name Enterprise onscreen, the Enterprise-E was ultimately designed by committee with the producers eventually having the final say. Along the way, multiple versions of the ship were considered and then abandoned for various reasons.
http://www.starshipdatalink.net/art/images/dee-3.gif
The image in that link is the one Rick Sternbach drew Thanksgiving turkey booties on.
Wasn't me. Perhaps you were thinking of Rick Berman.
C.E. Evans mentioned Herman Zimmerman. Could have been him. Or it could have been someone who overheard his comment. I read it is Star Trek the Magazine, I believe.
That's a good way to describe it.
I suspect the major reasons are twofold:To many here, the Abramsprise sucks, but the Enterprise-E is acceptable????
Please, help me with this.
1) there is less opportunity to reject the Enterprise-E. To reject either ship is to reject the movies it appears in, and it is easier to do that with one that is fairly upfront about being set in an alternate universe.
2) The Soverign Class shows influence of other ships of similar era, like the Intrepid Class (Voyager). Whereas the Abramsprise is supposed to be a variant take on a ship we already saw.
On the contrary, I like the Enterprise E despite the fact that I don't like First Contact or Insurrection.
My opinion of the 2009 Enterprise.
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Enterprises:
A+ - 1701E
A - 1701D, 1701C
A- - 1701 (Refit), 1701A
B - 1701B
D+ - 1701 (TOS)
F - 1701 (2009)
Other Starfleet Ships:
A+ - Defiant Class, Intrepid Class, Akira Class
A- - Nova Class, NX Class (Yeah, it's Earth's Starfleet and not the Federation's, but I'll rate it anyway.)
B+ - Nebula Class
B - Miranda Class (And all her variants), Prometheus Class
B- - Norway Class, Steamrunner Class, Saber Class
C - Constellation Class
D+ - Oberth Class, Olympic Class
F - Daedalus
This is how I feel now, my opinions do shift...from time to time.
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