Ultimate Canon poll

[shanejayell]

I clicked TAS, TFF, "Threshold", ENT and TrekXI. If it's onscreen and produced by the keepers of Trek at any given time, then it's part of the canon.

THat pretty much covers it.

 

[Jeri]

"As a rule of thumb, the events that take place within the live action episodes and movies are canon, or official Star Trek facts. Story lines, characters, events, stardates, etc. that take place within the fictional novels, the Animated Adventures, and the various comic lines are not canon.

There are a couple of exceptions to this rule: the Jeri Taylor penned novels "Mosaic" and "Pathways." Many of the events in these two novels feature background details of the main Star Trek: Voyager characters. (Note: There are a few details from an episode of the Animated Adventures that have entered into the Star Trek canon. The episode "Yesteryear," written by D.C. Fontana, features some biographical background on Spock.)"

-- from CBS/SONY official site, startrek.com (via http://www.canonwars.com/STCanon.html#III)

Thanks; that seems pretty clear. Why do people have trouble with that? I once assumed the above and got corrected by someone who's kind of an authority around here.

 

[Skywalker]

Everything except New Voyages and Of Gods and Men.

 

[Nerys Myk]

When I start getting a paycheck from CBS, I'll let you know.

 

[BillJ]

My canon consists of The Cage, the novel Ishmael and the Gold Key comic run (except issue 58).

Really is a silly question. We tend to include what we like.

 

[plynch]

My canon consists of The Cage, the novel Ishmael and the Gold Key comic run (except issue 58).

Really is a silly question. We tend to include what we like.

At least Gold Key comics had command tunics the "right" color.

 

[KimMH]

Didn't The Great Bird himself once say that only what made onto the screen was canon? Didn't he even disavow TAS as canon?

 

[TheGodBen]

TAS: I don't consider it to be in my own personal canon, I didn't think it was that good and The Magicks of Megas-Tu ruined any idea in my mind that it should be part of the canon.

TFF: I think it is the worst of the Trek movies and has some questionable canon issues due to the speed at which they got to the galactic center, but it is still in the canon.

Threshold: I debated this one and decided not to include it in my own personal canon. I can live with a crap episode, but a crap episode with so much incorrect science, failing logic and the fact is was never referenced again... it just cannot make the grade.

Enterprise: It has some canon issues, but it is in the canon.

XI: I have yet to see it but my understanding is that it is a divergent timeline, so it is its own canon.

New Voyages/Of Gods and Men: I don't consider fan episodes to be in the canon.

 

[RobertScorpio]

TFF: I think it is the worst of the Trek movies and has some questionable canon issues due to the speed at which they got to the galactic center, but it is still canon.

The worst movie? Nemesis takes the cake there. I know of some of the continuity issues with Frontier, Sybok chief among them; but I'll take Sybok over a cloned Picard any day of the week.

And, on an aside? Sybok was a far better character (and brought to live by a far better actor) than Shinzon. I didn't think a STAR TREK character could be as inept as the bozo from Insurrection until Shinzon came along.

Rob

 

[TheGodBen]

^ You have your opinions and I have mine. And I'm only talking about my own personal canon, my opinions aren't going to affect what happens to future Trek productions.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Canon: like it or not, it's everything, but not TAS, fan productions, games or novels.

 

[RobertScorpio]

^ You have your opinions and I have mine. And I'm only talking about my own personal canon, my opinions aren't going to affect what happens to future Trek productions.

Good point. And yes, it call comes down to personal opinion.

Rob

 

[Aquehonga]

They're all canonuity except for TAS* & those 2 on the bottom.

Those Gods'n'Men & V'GER items

Those PB books, videogames, comix?

Aficionado-defined "canonuity" is really fanonuity

*STPTB contemptuously decide what's canonuity or not from TAS depending on if & how it helps them.

So, isn't TAS's canonuity really in a state of flux

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

how is TAS beating STXI

 

[urbandk]

Nothing. There is no 'canon'.

Why do fans constantly get this so utterly and completely wrong?

I agree. The only thing I checked off was the new movie, because that's the only thing happening right now. Once the film after this one comes out, the current film will cease to be canon, except insofar as it gives people good ideas for the next story they want to tell.

 

[Aquehonga]

Damn son

I should've voted for TAS

! I wasn't thinking

 

[FalTorPan]

To ask an individual if something is canon for him or her is contradictory to the traditional meaning of the word. Originally it meant measuring stick, and the most common usage is for the Hebrew Bible, the Christian Old Testament (not quite the same thing -- because of canon) and the Christian New Testament. The books commonly known to Christians were canonized -- officially circumscribed -- in the 4th and 5th centuries.

True, but just as not everyone is a Catholic, not everyone is a Paramountie. Or whatever.

 

[Dayton Ward]

I see no option for Galaxy Quest, the best Trek movie since The Undiscovered Country....

 

[judge alba]

i must admit my idea of canon would be some of everything that doesn't contradict itself ( most of the time).
I'm of the opinion that everyone has their own version of canon and nothing will change their stance. like some will treat tas as canon whilst others wouldn't. to me it's all trek which for the most part is good.

 

[Steve Roby]

If you find yourself debating whether something is canon, then canon isn't really what you're debating. If you find yourself talking about personal canon, then canon isn't what you're talking about. Canon, in the context of movies, TV series, etc, is decided by the people who run the show, not by the fans. We don't have a say. You can choose to have a personal continuity, in which you include or exclude various shows or books or computer games or whatever. But that's not a canon because no one is bound by it, no authority enforces it, and only you know what's in it.

Jeri Taylor's Voyager novels were canon only while she was a producer on Voyager. When she left, the producers no longer paid attention to what her books established. They are not now canon. Neither are any other books.

Fan films? Not canon. No chance. Doesn't matter who writes them or who guest stars in them, they aren't productions of the company that has the exclusive legal right to produce filmed Star Trek.

Not that it really matters any more. There's no one left to make canon rulings on much of anything other than the new movie. I doubt Abrams et al. care about the post-TOS TV series much, and they waffle like crazy on the Countdown comic. In Orci's words: "As you know I considered some of the books, in my mind, to be of character canon. And some of them in between the movies to possibly be even possible candidates for canon, until some other movie comes along and makes those impossible. That is my personal view, but I am not going to declare whether comics are canon."