UFO Hunters are idiots!

[Unicron]

I liked that description of ghosts-echoes of once-living people. Many ghost stories that have multiple witnesses talk about the ghost going through the same motions, like the ghostly carriage that rides past one of the English castles over and over, night after night. Perhaps an electronic matrix caught in a magnetic field within a limited area? Who knows.

Indeed, and there certainly is some plausibility to this idea considering what we've learned about human biology. We know the human body is, essentially, a sort of electrical machine, and that's why electric shocks can often save someone having a heart attack. It also seems reasonable that a strong emotional catalyst, which is almost always the cause of a ghost, could somehow leave an impression on the environment. If this sort of energy transfer/looping can occur with humans, it could easily occur with other objects that are often associated as ghosts - animals, even technology like planes or cars.

* shrugs *

As I said before, there's a lot about the subject I don't know, and I can't easily answer. But I think it's fascinating enough to learn more.

 

[Zachary Smith]

Do not force me to say "Ni!" to you . . . Or you shall be required to cut down the mightiest tree in the forest WIIIIiiiiith . . . a HERRING!

Zach, you are TOO MUCH!!!

Well, I suppose the only important question at the moment is: did I get all the foam dabbed up at the corners of my mouth? I need to resume my masquerade as "sane" soon, you know.

 

[QuasarVM]

Indeed!!!

 

[Zachary Smith]

Our buddy ChexMix must be having ALL kinds of trouble with "cut'n'paste" . . .

 

[Servo]

UFO researchers are wasting their lives. Unless they can actually get a decent film showing Zort from the Planet Bugium in the Taurus Constellation stepping out of his ship and waving, I aint going to believe them. Showing me videos of lights or objects that are badly focused or not enough detail can be seen aint good enough for me.

Chasing after the US govt aint going to get them nowhere and is a waste of time. I also dont find credible "witnesses" who claim to know the inner workings of govt bases but "have to get the story off my chest".

I had a secret clearance in the US Army and attended secret briefings and I was even allowed to read Top Secret stuff and I have been out of the Army for over 8 years, yet I aint going to blab what I know. I believe if I did I could still get in trouble for it and the stuff I know is probably nothing compared to what someone who supposedly worked on a secret base knows.

Yes, they are wasting their time. I dont believe in aliens, but I would love to see REAL proof of their existence. Yes, I have seen films and pictures of things that cannot be explained, but that is all these UFO researchers bring to the table. They will never be able to penetrate the shroud of secrecy the govt throws up around its most important projects so they are wasting their time trying to go after the govt. Even if they manage to get their hands on something legit, do they honestly think the US govt would allow them to tell everyone about it?

Thousands of grainy pictures and films are not proof in my opinion. If the US govt is secretly working with aliens or has alien technology, these guys will NEVER see it nor get info on it. So they go through the FOIA? So what? Do they honestly think the US govt is going to release info to them on any alien it has. Oh sure they might give them some tiny bits like memos on some govt agency ordered to investigate an unexplained light, but that is all they will get.

Oh, the delicious irony. You really do make me laugh, LGM.

 

[Warped9]

STAR TREK IS REAL!

...just not in this continuity.

 

[Zachary Smith]

Dare I say . . . . "Checkmate!" HMMMmmm?

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Actually there is a quite a fair amount of physical evidence in support of the Big-foot hypothesis--though admittedly no bodies--which is what it will take to convince some hard-core cynics of even the POSSIBILITY of such a creature...

What physical evidence? There isn't any.

Actually, there is. There have been several hair, blood typing, and dna tests done over the last 30 years that have documented finding of belonging to "an unknown primate".

One of the latest came as the result of an expedition to Bhutan in search of the Yeti. You can read about the results here:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=28075&st=0&gopid=567002&

 

[darkwing_duck1]

I will concede if a UFO did crash at Rosewell then the govt probably has it and may have even figured out how it worked and all the UFOs flying around now are US pilots testing them out.

As for Bigfoot, Zachary you made a very convincing argument. I beleive there is SOMETHING running around out there, but the one thing that nags at me is how come there aint like a bunch of them running around? At the most people see one. If these things have been around hundreds of years how come there aint a bunch of them running around and discovered by no? Are they asexual and give birth and then die off with the baby left to grow up on its own? Do they have some secret colony that is yet undiscovered? I just think if there are Bigfoots running around that we would have absoulute proof by now because there would be a bunch of them running around and easy to find.

Like the Ivory Billed Woodpecker? Thought extinct but recently rediscovered? Or the snow leopard, known to exist for a long time but only recently photographed? Or the giant squid, which took 20 years of effort to document in the wild.

The choice isn't between ONE BF and lots and lots of BF. A breeding population can be sustained with a relatively small number of individuals. Add a reclusive, nomadic lifestyle to that and accounting for the vastness of the wild areas of the world (including the US) and it's not hard to imagine encounters being VERY rare.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

The problem with Bigfoot and the Loch Ness sea monster is that you can't just have ONE of something -- there has to be a whole population of them.

True.

And if that were the case, we would have already discovered that.

The fact that we are still discovering new things in the world today would say otherwise.

The forests of Oregon and Washington state aren't THAT big...

Who says they are confined to just that region? Washington and Orgegon are artificial constructs. If you look at contiguous HABITAT, you have most of the PNW, Canada, and Alaska. Other regions as well, including the Eastern Mountain Range, and parts of the Midwest/Midsouth. And a surprisingly large chunk of it VERY inaccessable to humans physically.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

I still don't buy the Bigfoot thing, though, as the area the creature is usually associated with has been crawling with hunters and outdoor freaks for the last 50 or so years with very little substantive evidence to support the idea of a large creature with a viable population existing therein. But I'm open-minded enough to state I could be wrong on this point.

Something to consider:

In most wilderness areas (including those you would catagorize as "swarming with people"), human activity is centered around a relatively small proportion of the total area, usually the "improved" parts.

Take Yellowstone, for example. 99% of the human activity in the park is centered around the "sites", the campgrounds, and the other improved areas. The vast majority of the park sees a handful of people in any given year, if that many. There are parts of it that are so remote and inaccessable that the Rangers may well be the ONLY people who ever go there.

The same is true for vast parts of the PNW/Canada/Alaska habitat. The terrain and vegitation are such that it is nearly impossible for a human being to access it, and so they don't.

 

[Zachary Smith]

I . . . I . .. have never . . . EVER . . . been in . .. .. A . . . agreement with darkwing_duck on ANY subject, any time or anyWHERE.

Thisss . . . iz making my head fell strangeeee. . . lik itt HUurtzzz!

 

[darkwing_duck1]

I . . . I . .. have never . . . EVER . . . been in . .. .. A . . . agreement with darkwing_duck on ANY subject, any time or anyWHERE.

Thisss . . . iz making my head fell strangeeee. . . lik itt HUurtzzz!

I could be evil and say: "Welcome to the Duck Side, Zach!"...but I won't...

At any rate, it seems to be the pattern...people will agree with me on one or two issues, but on nothing else. And it's different issues for each person!

 

[Zachary Smith]

Is it fair to say at this point that checkmate has been checkmated?

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Is it fair to say at this point that checkmate has been checkmated?

I'd say so, but he appears to have bailed, along with everyone else...

 

[Checkmate]

Is it fair to say at this point that checkmate has been checkmated?

I'd say so, but he appears to have bailed, along with everyone else...

Wow, is he still ranting mindlessly despite having been ignored for about a week or so now? Amazing.

Not a nutjob at all.

No sir.

 

[Zachary Smith]

Is it fair to say at this point that checkmate has been checkmated?

I'd say so, but he appears to have bailed, along with everyone else...

Wow, is he still ranting mindlessly despite having been ignored for about a week or so now? Amazing.

Not a nutjob at all.

No sir.

You had a WEEK to work on a response and THAT'S all you could manage?

 

[QuasarVM]

Not all UFO hunters are idiots but all idiots ARE UFO hunters.

 

[Mistral]

I still don't buy the Bigfoot thing, though, as the area the creature is usually associated with has been crawling with hunters and outdoor freaks for the last 50 or so years with very little substantive evidence to support the idea of a large creature with a viable population existing therein. But I'm open-minded enough to state I could be wrong on this point.

Something to consider:

In most wilderness areas (including those you would catagorize as "swarming with people"), human activity is centered around a relatively small proportion of the total area, usually the "improved" parts.

Take Yellowstone, for example. 99% of the human activity in the park is centered around the "sites", the campgrounds, and the other improved areas. The vast majority of the park sees a handful of people in any given year, if that many. There are parts of it that are so remote and inaccessable that the Rangers may well be the ONLY people who ever go there.

The same is true for vast parts of the PNW/Canada/Alaska habitat. The terrain and vegitation are such that it is nearly impossible for a human being to access it, and so they don't.

A good point-and the primary reason I'm willing to keep an open mind.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Not all UFO hunters are idiots but all idiots ARE UFO hunters.

I wouldn't go that far...go over to the JREF forum...LOTS of idiots that won't touch the subject with a 10m anal probe...