^^You'd love to see bleeped swearing in Trek Lit?
"Captain, the bleeping engines canna bleeping take any more of this bleep!"
"Captain, the bleeping engines canna bleeping take any more of this bleep!"
Typhon Pact..Do tell?
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No, I meant I'd love to see something like MI-5/Spooks in Trek Lit.
Yeah they had to do that as it's a full 60 minutes when shown on the Beeb but when it's shown in other territories they had to edit it down because of pesky adverts! lol
And swearing? It's been a while since I've actually watched any Spooks, but I don't recall much swearing in it and non you wouldn't hear in everyday conversation.
These days, that doesn't rule anything out. Much of the everyday conversation I hear around me would require extensive bleeping if aired on broadcast TV or basic cable.
Multiply this by about five thousand pages and you've got L Ron Hubbard's comedy masterpice, Mission Earth.
When I watched it on DVD there were a few uses of the f-word and shit, both of which had to be cut on US baisic cable.
Let us hope so.
Now I am getting impatient for my copy of Singular Destiny to come, still a couple of weeks till it gets sent out here.
To be honest, the Federation are somewhat insidious, annexing territories through a shared system of values. They also take the moral high ground when they really shouldn't and I do think that the Prime Directive has been honoured in breach as much as in being upheld. The Cardassians, Klingons, Romulans and Dominion have all attacked, as have most of the other members of the Typhon Pact. Looking at the Star Charts, and extrapolating up and down the z axis of the galactic plane, you can see that the other major powers are essentially hemmed in by the Federation.
Look at Romulan space. The Klingons were "asked" to cease annexation of new territory but they too appear to be encircled. I hope that the Typhon Pact meta-arc will allow the Federation to repair the damage done to its own worlds and allies and continue to explore the galaxy, and possibly withdraw from its outer territories that have no member worlds but are still claimed by them. I think they should only claim territory where member worlds or colonies exist.
Look at Romulan space. The Klingons were "asked" to cease annexation of new territory but they too appear to be encircled. I hope that the Typhon Pact meta-arc will allow the Federation to repair the damage done to its own worlds and allies and continue to explore the galaxy, and possibly withdraw from its outer territories that have no member worlds but are still claimed by them. I think they should only claim territory where member worlds or colonies exist.
There should also be an interstellar agreement regarding the non-interference with non-warp-capable species that all interstellar powers should abide by.
Why is that a spoiler? Then... why? You're trying to apply human values to other races.
i don't see how you can claim that. the UFP's hemmed in by the Breen, Romulans, Klingons, Gorn, Tholians, Cardassians and Talarians.
the Klingons have open space on the 'far side' from Earth as do the RSE. The Breen, Cardies and Tholians on the opposite side. the UFP also has open areas at the coreward direction and rimward.(top and bottom of the pages)
and how does the UFP gain territory to put new colonies and gain new members if not by claiming space?
Why should the worth of values be treated as relative? If noninterference is right, then it is right in absolute - the noninterfering species is immaterial. If it is wrong, then it is wrong no matter who acts in interference.
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Because 'right' is relative, being a product of a societies values. 'Thou Shall Not Kill', ring a bell. The state breaks that one on a daily basis and is in direct contradiction to what the populace supposedly wants.
I'm sure Islamic terrorists could make a compelling case that strapping a bomb to someone and going into a crowed market is the 'right' way to conduct warfare. Hell, we've had terrorists as central characters in Star Trek shows.
And why set the warp barrier as the line? A society may be no more ready to deal with the Federation with warp than without. How do we know the Tholians have had the same problems giving tech to lesser races? Maybe they have a system that works for them.
'Right' evolves and changes with society...
Any terrorists could -- or none could. There's nothing specifically Islamic about it, and in fact terrorism is in direct violation of Islam's explicit prohibition on killing noncombatants. Terrorism isn't an ideology, it's a tactic -- a response to a specific set of conditions. It's a tactic used against a superior force, particularly an occupying force, by an inferior force. If you can't drive an enemy out with superior firepower, then the only way to get rid of them is to make their occupation as undesirable to them as possible by striking randomly against their innocents. It's not about being right; in fact, it's specifically about being wrong, about doing things so horrible and unconscionable that you terrorize your enemy into leaving you alone. It's a desperation tactic when you no longer have the luxury of morality.
You're absolutely right that it could be any terrorist. I also know the definition of terrorist.
But my original point about 'right' being a relative concept stands.
You're absolutely right that it could be any terrorist. I also know the definition of terrorist.
But my original point about 'right' being a relative concept stands.
Are we not capable of making our arguments without resorting to most extreme cases available to us?
This is the internet! What do you expect?
Next, we'll bring the Nazi's in too.
You're absolutely right that it could be any terrorist. I also know the definition of terrorist.
Then you should know better than to gratuitously stick "Islamic" before the word as if there were some intrinsic link between Islam and terrorism. That's perpetuating a stereotype.
My non-interference point, in spoiler code or not, still stands.
IMO, the Federation is wrong to interfere at all. Maybe warp drive is the wrong line, but we'll take it as a given for the argument. Pre-warp cultures should not be interfered with at all, especially not with duckblind missions that clearly fail or go wrong quite frequently. I accept that the Federation can identify pre-warp worlds and adopt them as protectorates so no one else interferes, but they can use hi-def probes to look at the world, and its people. Looking at the culture can wait until their ready.
IMO, the Federation is wrong to interfere at all. Maybe warp drive is the wrong line, but we'll take it as a given for the argument. Pre-warp cultures should not be interfered with at all, especially not with duckblind missions that clearly fail or go wrong quite frequently. I accept that the Federation can identify pre-warp worlds and adopt them as protectorates so no one else interferes, but they can use hi-def probes to look at the world, and its people. Looking at the culture can wait until their ready.
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