Two more LCARS schematics
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I'm not too sure about the Genesis Device... There was a distinct TNG'esque warp core effect going on in the device. You're plan doesn't seem to show that type of energy flow driving into the centre.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok/ch14/twok1077.jpg
Nice Phoenix LCARS though!
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok/ch14/twok1077.jpg
Nice Phoenix LCARS though!
Yeah, I'd definitley expect Cochrane to utilize nuclear power in some fashion for the Phoenix. He'd probably do something that could utilize the material from the warhead of his Titan missile.
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The Movie said "Warp Core" and "Intermix"
Fusion doesn't need and intermix chamber and rockets use combustion chambers.
First Contact and ENterprise made it canon, nonsensical, but canon.
Spock made it clear the Romulan war was fought with Nuclear devices, perhaps even impulse variants...But...hey.
Fusion doesn't need and intermix chamber and rockets use combustion chambers.
First Contact and ENterprise made it canon, nonsensical, but canon.
Spock made it clear the Romulan war was fought with Nuclear devices, perhaps even impulse variants...But...hey.
So, you're saying the only kind of warp core is matter-antimatter and the only kind of intermix is matter-antimatter?
I dunno, to me that seems like saying that diesel is the only kind of fuel and automatic is the only kind of transmission. Obviously, there's no other way to power a car.
I dunno, to me that seems like saying that diesel is the only kind of fuel and automatic is the only kind of transmission. Obviously, there's no other way to power a car.
Thanks for the input, guys. I think those are okay. One thing I thought was strange was Bussard collectors on Cochrane's Phoenix, but the movie showed them, so they're there. And I would assume he used antimatter in that first warp drive. It's hard to tell from the schematic, but the nacelles are in their stowed positions there. When extended, they not only move out to the sides but also back a little.
Three more are partially done, two NASA items and the Dauntless, which wasn't really a Starfleet vessel. The Klingon Bird-of-Prey is finished.
I was trying to think of better wording for the notice on the Genesis page, about "Project canceled," blah, blah, blah.
Bird-of-Prey
Three more are partially done, two NASA items and the Dauntless, which wasn't really a Starfleet vessel. The Klingon Bird-of-Prey is finished.
I was trying to think of better wording for the notice on the Genesis page, about "Project canceled," blah, blah, blah.
Bird-of-Prey
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I never thought of the forward domes as the bussard collectors, but usually assigned that function to features behind the nacelle caps. If you're willing to bend canon a bit-
How about this for the Genesis Page: This Isolinear Chip Will Self-Destruct In 30 Seconds.
How about this for the Genesis Page: This Isolinear Chip Will Self-Destruct In 30 Seconds.
The glowing red part at the front of any warp nacelle is the Bussard collector. I usually make them red, but in this figure the nacelles are tucked away, to be extended before going to warp. At warp, they really don't do anything, but at impulse, etc. they take in trace hydrogen from space to be processed into fuel. The reason for the red color is that they create a field tantamount to having a ramscoop kilometers in area.
The exception is the JJprise, which appears to have propellers or something instead.
No intermix chamber is mentioned re the Phoenix. Though even if it was, this alone doesn't imply antimatter.
Neither does antimatter.
On most starships, it's the yellow (or whatever color) grille behind the glowy thing. The glowy cap is generally just a field generator FOR the bussard collector, though it doesn't necessarily need to be.
I'm still thinking the Phoenix has nuclear (fusion or fission) power. I presume you're referencing an internal screen cap, but still think its a different "warp core". Antimatter after a world war? Didn't Spock mention World War III was conducted with traditional nuclear weapons?
The Romulans do not use antimatter. Its not a requirement.
Re the Bussard collectors: well that's very TNG. This was an experimental, likely 1 shot craft. Why collect hydrogen at all? You could get all you would need via a storage tank.
I don't think of the Phoenix as having the 23rd/24th century toys... no deflector, no shields/force fields, no antimatter... just a primitive, nuclear-powered SHORT RANGE warp capability.
OH, as long as we're talking LCARS... one of the unresolved issues with the Phoenix is how it returns to earth (something we know that it does!) There must be a shuttle-like heat shield, or a parachute system, or something on the nose cone. The specs i have seen indicate heat shield. That would be an interesting MSD addition.
The Romulans do not use antimatter. Its not a requirement.
Re the Bussard collectors: well that's very TNG. This was an experimental, likely 1 shot craft. Why collect hydrogen at all? You could get all you would need via a storage tank.
I don't think of the Phoenix as having the 23rd/24th century toys... no deflector, no shields/force fields, no antimatter... just a primitive, nuclear-powered SHORT RANGE warp capability.
OH, as long as we're talking LCARS... one of the unresolved issues with the Phoenix is how it returns to earth (something we know that it does!) There must be a shuttle-like heat shield, or a parachute system, or something on the nose cone. The specs i have seen indicate heat shield. That would be an interesting MSD addition.
I assume the main thruster is used mainly for retro, and maybe a lot of the weight is jetissoned before reentry. The Soyuz descent module brings people back safely (for the most part) from space and touches down on land, using retro and parachutes, and has been since 1968.
Regarding the Phoenix, the cutaway schematic handed out at theaters on opening night showed a fusion reactor, not an antimatter one.
As for the Genesis device, well, I know you can't help it, but at first glance, that looks more like a scan of a vibrator that Data found in Tasha's dresser.
As for the Genesis device, well, I know you can't help it, but at first glance, that looks more like a scan of a vibrator that Data found in Tasha's dresser.
Yeah, but it's illegible:
And I don't believe in FTL with nuclear power. The Romulans use a trapped quantum singularity. And it was discovered just a few months ago that a shower of positrons (one type of antimatter) can be produced by training a laser beam on gold plate 1 mm in thickness. Even before that discovery the NASA Web site had an article speculating about fueling an interplanetary craft with positrons stored in a magnetic bottle, and there is a company trying to do R&D on that.
Overall length: 2.13 meters. Sounds about right.
Do you also have them in non-LCARS look? Makes them easier to look at.
Well, yes, in a crappy photo of it, the labels are illegible. The original print is perfectly legible.
Well, I suppose you can believe whatever you'd like about imaginary technology, but there are no Trek rules against it, especially for something as small as a Titan missile.
Overall length: 2.13 meters. Sounds about right.
Geez, I said "at first glance." Look that schematic of yours is very phallic, and your "Genesis wave generator" doesn't help dissuade that image.
Besides, as Patrickivan pointed it, your schematic doesn't evoke the "guts" of the Genesis torpedo we saw in a few clear shots.
Here, try these HD shots:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twokhd/twokhd0951.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twokhd/twokhd0949.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twokhd/twokhd0632.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twokhd/twokhd0385.jpg
If you tell us you're "open to nitpicking," then don't be surprised when we offer criticisms and suggestions for improvements.
Okay, SonicRanger, I'll take your word for it about the fusion reactor, even though from a scientific standpoint a midpoint in net power-to-mass ratio and difficulty of implemention between wiffleball fusion and antideuterium is what I mentioned (antielectrons).
And I'll play around with the image on the Genesis, referring to those nice references you posted.
And I'll play around with the image on the Genesis, referring to those nice references you posted.
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