"You are awake."
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Finally is right!
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Finally is right!
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Twin Peaks Season 3 (Revival) Discussion / Spoilers
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Awesome episode. I think his return has also brought the return of music to the world as well.
Diane, or "Diane" to be more precise, was downright creepy when revealing her identity. I wonder where real Diane is.
We also found out that not everything was right with Audrey, which I already began to think by her second appearance, but certainly as soon as she was dancing to her own theme from the first season. Brilliant moment.
It was just so good to see Coop up and about again and taking everything in his stride as if he was never away.
Diane, or "Diane" to be more precise, was downright creepy when revealing her identity. I wonder where real Diane is.
We also found out that not everything was right with Audrey, which I already began to think by her second appearance, but certainly as soon as she was dancing to her own theme from the first season. Brilliant moment.
It was just so good to see Coop up and about again and taking everything in his stride as if he was never away.
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Phillip Jeffries was "sitting in a tin can".
I was half wondering whether to rewatch season three in anticipation of the finale. I feel with the last couple of episodes that, amongst the madness, there does seem to be a bit of a plan throughout the show.
Actually I'll just watch the finale Monday morning and if it grabs me like I think it will I might just go ahead and rewatch.
Actually I'll just watch the finale Monday morning and if it grabs me like I think it will I might just go ahead and rewatch.
I was thinking of doing a rewatch leading up to the conclusion, too, to have everything fresh in my memory. But it may be a better idea to watch the conclusion and then do the rewatch to see if we missed things we didn't realize were important along the way.
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Love that slinky cat music.
Now--last we saw her--she was chained up inside the bank vault when a bomb went off. I assumed she was killed in the end of season two--back in the 90's
She might best be described as a tween. (Perhaps a different version of a Tulpa)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa
I'm starting to think that bar might be the final location--the final coordinates--maybe another opening to the Black Lodge.
Now that was some fucked up shit right there. 
I'm glad I decided to stay up and watch live on Sky Atlantic. It's now 3.15am and I don't think I'll sleep now. What a journey it's been. I'll definitely be rewatching the series again, and look forward to other peoples thoughts.
More cohesive thoughts in the morning.
Or maybe not.
I'm glad I decided to stay up and watch live on Sky Atlantic. It's now 3.15am and I don't think I'll sleep now. What a journey it's been. I'll definitely be rewatching the series again, and look forward to other peoples thoughts.
More cohesive thoughts in the morning.
Or maybe not.
I see these final episodes as David Lynch responding to audience fantasies.
The events at the sheriff station remind me of a particular episode of Angel. The idyllic ending where he fantasizes getting everything he wants, and it wasn't real. It's the same here. The green glove might as well be the Excalibur. Cooper's plan works perfectly to kill his doppleganger and Bob in one fell swoop. Then Lynch indulges every other audience fantasy. Cooper hooks up with Diane, he even goes back and saves Laura. (And I want to know how he got that footage, did he actually film her saying that 25 years ago? Or was it CGI magic like with Leah?) Every time, something is a little wrong and a little off. We live in a dream, those episodes were the audience's dream. Then again with Ms Chalfont and Ms Tremond, as if the entire events of the series were as mystical as Harold's neighbor.
I never thought Audrey died in the bank explosion though she was horribly injured. And if you accept any of the story as real, Donna's father makes a reference to Audrey having been in the ICU. Not to mention the existence of Richard. Audrey could perhaps be in a coma I suppose. Or as perhaps hinted at by the scenery an insane asylum having gone totally insane.
The events at the sheriff station remind me of a particular episode of Angel. The idyllic ending where he fantasizes getting everything he wants, and it wasn't real. It's the same here. The green glove might as well be the Excalibur. Cooper's plan works perfectly to kill his doppleganger and Bob in one fell swoop. Then Lynch indulges every other audience fantasy. Cooper hooks up with Diane, he even goes back and saves Laura. (And I want to know how he got that footage, did he actually film her saying that 25 years ago? Or was it CGI magic like with Leah?) Every time, something is a little wrong and a little off. We live in a dream, those episodes were the audience's dream. Then again with Ms Chalfont and Ms Tremond, as if the entire events of the series were as mystical as Harold's neighbor.
I never thought Audrey died in the bank explosion though she was horribly injured. And if you accept any of the story as real, Donna's father makes a reference to Audrey having been in the ICU. Not to mention the existence of Richard. Audrey could perhaps be in a coma I suppose. Or as perhaps hinted at by the scenery an insane asylum having gone totally insane.
Bwuh?
Precisely.
The first episode was the best part in terms of tying up some of the loose ends established in this season. It felt like a triumphant return for Cooper to Twin Peaks, excitedly getting himself into the EvilCoop mess. The vision Andy had about him and Lucy helped to save the day, and the way she shot EvilCoop was wonderful. The guy with the green hand was a bit convenient, being as he'd just been sitting around at the station for a while now, but it was still striking to watch.
Naido turning out to be Diane was something I hadn't considered, but it makes sense. I was a tad irked by her and Coop suddenly being all over each other. I suppose I was naive enough to think that Diane was just an assistant, or even and FBI agent, and never thought of them together. I suppose the amount of detail Coop went into when recording his tapes about anything and everything suggests something more intimate, but again, I never twigged.
The return of Laura Palmer was amazing, even if I actually blew a fuse just trying to suss out what was going on. We had another flashback to FWWM, though this time Coop has travelled back in time, and was waiting in the bushes to rescue Laura from her doom. Time travel here wasn't a surprise after the Major Briggs/Philip Jeffries stories, and it was a beautiful moment. Was it done through CGI and sound mixing to alter Sheryl Lee's current appearance and voice? The scream she let out when she vanished in the forest was haunting though, and I was on-board.
Now everything that happened after that was like a crazy, hazy dream. And I don't just mean because I'm still a bit tired (although I am). Everything occurring was taking a really, really long time to happen. Now yes, I have just been watching the Dougie Jones arc, the epitome of delayed gratification. Is it a little perverse that he seemed to get a happy ending whilst no one else did?
But yeah, this was Lynch turned up 11. And then turned up to like 111. It was very frustrating in places, though I imagine that's what Lynch had planned for. I think the end of Twin Peaks and it's complete lack of any resolution is like the end to Mullholland Dr. and it's similar basking in dream logic.
The Coop/Diane sex scene was very strangely shot. At different times I was wondering if it was actually EvilCoop, and then I was convinced it was EvilDiane. It was just the strange looks they were giving each other.
The morning after all that, Diane has disappeared, and she'd left a letter saying they should stop carrying on. However her and Coop were both referred to as Linda and Richard was jarring, which again made it feel like a dream of some sort. I wondering if Richard Horne was going to play a part as that was the only Richard I could remember, but again I was way off. Coop finds Laura Palmer as an adult in Odessa, only referring to herself as Carrie Page. She remembers nothing of her past life; not even her parents. Coop broke the world!
So him saving Laura seemingly created this nightmarish alternate reality, as everything had changed. Coop and Diane's names, Laura's name, and then upon her eventual return to Twin Peaks, Sarah Palmer was no longer living at the family home. Had the destruction of BOB and saving Laura somehow stopped her from even being born? We even had an opening sequence replay of season one where we saw Josie, Pete and Catherine where a body wasn't found and Pete just went fishing, apparently. Now there's a show!
A very interesting part was the mention that the current owners of the Palmer household were the Tremond's, and that they bought the house from a Mrs Chalfont. Was it significant that these two names were the only two that were the same in old and altered timelines? They were from season two and FWWM, and appeared to be lodge beings.
Right at the end though, the gut punch? Coop asks what year it is. Laura recoils in horror, and screams hauntingly at some sort of recognition? Was there also a faint echo of Sarah Palmer crying in the house?
Alas, we just cut to black. Our final image of her whispering mysteriously into Coop's ear in the black lodge, will never be truly answered. Neither will what was truly going on with Sarah Palmer, and what will become of Audrey. Nor what was going on for the other residents of Twin Peaks we met this season, like Shelley's daughter.
It was a completely brutal, completely Lynchian ending. No matter what Coop keeps doing, he just keep failing. The start of the episode suggested the tide could be turning for the good, with all of the amazing things happening. Of course this was all shot to pieces in the second half where we see that despite saving a girl from murder, and even after destroying the evil force that was doing said murder, the world will still be a messed up and horrible place.
The never-ending, twisting roads when Coop and Laura were heading to Twin Peaks, were an absolute nightmare for denouement. I felt so tense watching it all as all we had was was Laura wondering if someone was following, some silence, and some longing stares. I admit my NOW TV stream of it cut out right at this moment for a few minutes, and I really didn't now what to do. I think I didn't miss much as it was deliberately snail-paced. It was even possible I missed an ad break? One thing that was captured very well was the eerie dark of night, and how lamplight can look very ominous.
Part of me wondered if a lot of what we've seen was all part of Audrey's mental state, being as we never saw what happened to her after revealing she was in a mental institute or hospital of some variety last week.
So that is it then? I feel like on the whole, The Return has been an absolute blast, and I look forward to watching the whole thing again at some point. It's funny before I started watching the finale with my husband, he asked what I was expecting. Pondering what we were left with at the end of season two, I figured some sort of resolution, but it will be confusing as hell. I think that's what we got. And then some.
EDIT: I read a comment somewhere basically saying that this was like The Sopranos ending on crack.
The first episode was the best part in terms of tying up some of the loose ends established in this season. It felt like a triumphant return for Cooper to Twin Peaks, excitedly getting himself into the EvilCoop mess. The vision Andy had about him and Lucy helped to save the day, and the way she shot EvilCoop was wonderful. The guy with the green hand was a bit convenient, being as he'd just been sitting around at the station for a while now, but it was still striking to watch.
Naido turning out to be Diane was something I hadn't considered, but it makes sense. I was a tad irked by her and Coop suddenly being all over each other. I suppose I was naive enough to think that Diane was just an assistant, or even and FBI agent, and never thought of them together. I suppose the amount of detail Coop went into when recording his tapes about anything and everything suggests something more intimate, but again, I never twigged.
The return of Laura Palmer was amazing, even if I actually blew a fuse just trying to suss out what was going on. We had another flashback to FWWM, though this time Coop has travelled back in time, and was waiting in the bushes to rescue Laura from her doom. Time travel here wasn't a surprise after the Major Briggs/Philip Jeffries stories, and it was a beautiful moment. Was it done through CGI and sound mixing to alter Sheryl Lee's current appearance and voice? The scream she let out when she vanished in the forest was haunting though, and I was on-board.
Now everything that happened after that was like a crazy, hazy dream. And I don't just mean because I'm still a bit tired (although I am). Everything occurring was taking a really, really long time to happen. Now yes, I have just been watching the Dougie Jones arc, the epitome of delayed gratification. Is it a little perverse that he seemed to get a happy ending whilst no one else did?
But yeah, this was Lynch turned up 11. And then turned up to like 111. It was very frustrating in places, though I imagine that's what Lynch had planned for. I think the end of Twin Peaks and it's complete lack of any resolution is like the end to Mullholland Dr. and it's similar basking in dream logic.
The Coop/Diane sex scene was very strangely shot. At different times I was wondering if it was actually EvilCoop, and then I was convinced it was EvilDiane. It was just the strange looks they were giving each other.
The morning after all that, Diane has disappeared, and she'd left a letter saying they should stop carrying on. However her and Coop were both referred to as Linda and Richard was jarring, which again made it feel like a dream of some sort. I wondering if Richard Horne was going to play a part as that was the only Richard I could remember, but again I was way off. Coop finds Laura Palmer as an adult in Odessa, only referring to herself as Carrie Page. She remembers nothing of her past life; not even her parents. Coop broke the world!
So him saving Laura seemingly created this nightmarish alternate reality, as everything had changed. Coop and Diane's names, Laura's name, and then upon her eventual return to Twin Peaks, Sarah Palmer was no longer living at the family home. Had the destruction of BOB and saving Laura somehow stopped her from even being born? We even had an opening sequence replay of season one where we saw Josie, Pete and Catherine where a body wasn't found and Pete just went fishing, apparently. Now there's a show!
A very interesting part was the mention that the current owners of the Palmer household were the Tremond's, and that they bought the house from a Mrs Chalfont. Was it significant that these two names were the only two that were the same in old and altered timelines? They were from season two and FWWM, and appeared to be lodge beings.
Right at the end though, the gut punch? Coop asks what year it is. Laura recoils in horror, and screams hauntingly at some sort of recognition? Was there also a faint echo of Sarah Palmer crying in the house?
Alas, we just cut to black. Our final image of her whispering mysteriously into Coop's ear in the black lodge, will never be truly answered. Neither will what was truly going on with Sarah Palmer, and what will become of Audrey. Nor what was going on for the other residents of Twin Peaks we met this season, like Shelley's daughter.
It was a completely brutal, completely Lynchian ending. No matter what Coop keeps doing, he just keep failing. The start of the episode suggested the tide could be turning for the good, with all of the amazing things happening. Of course this was all shot to pieces in the second half where we see that despite saving a girl from murder, and even after destroying the evil force that was doing said murder, the world will still be a messed up and horrible place.
The never-ending, twisting roads when Coop and Laura were heading to Twin Peaks, were an absolute nightmare for denouement. I felt so tense watching it all as all we had was was Laura wondering if someone was following, some silence, and some longing stares. I admit my NOW TV stream of it cut out right at this moment for a few minutes, and I really didn't now what to do. I think I didn't miss much as it was deliberately snail-paced. It was even possible I missed an ad break? One thing that was captured very well was the eerie dark of night, and how lamplight can look very ominous.
Part of me wondered if a lot of what we've seen was all part of Audrey's mental state, being as we never saw what happened to her after revealing she was in a mental institute or hospital of some variety last week.
So that is it then? I feel like on the whole, The Return has been an absolute blast, and I look forward to watching the whole thing again at some point. It's funny before I started watching the finale with my husband, he asked what I was expecting. Pondering what we were left with at the end of season two, I figured some sort of resolution, but it will be confusing as hell. I think that's what we got. And then some.
EDIT: I read a comment somewhere basically saying that this was like The Sopranos ending on crack.
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Mulholland Dr had a pretty clear resolution. What's her name put a hit out on her lesbian lover after she ditched her for a Hollywood producer and rubbed it in her face. Then she fantasized an elaborate story where she survived the hit and none of her behavior was really her fault, it was all Hollywood's fault, and she ended up coming back to her, before she found the key signifying that the hit was complete and she was snapped out of her fantasy.
The last episode of Twin Peaks was more like Inland Empire.
The last episode of Twin Peaks was more like Inland Empire.
A friend of mine informs me that the last two episodes were very heavily influenced by the Tibetan Book of the Dead. I'll take her word for it.
Decided to do a rewatch and I'm 6 episodes in. The first episodes in particular were a lot more informative knowing what happened in the finale. Remember 430. Remember Linda and Richard. Laura tells Coop that she isn't Laura Palmer, but that she feels like she knows her. And when Coop asks her who she is, she says she is dead, yet she lives.
Oooooooh.
Dougie Jones is more enjoyable to watch knowing how it pays off as well.
Oooooooh.
Dougie Jones is more enjoyable to watch knowing how it pays off as well.
And I've finished the season again. I've decided that I adore it all. It definitely helped watching a few episodes at a time, though of course knowing the conclusion beforehand has me looking out for little clues everywhere.
As for the finale, there are many theories.
We could all have been witnessing some sort of delusion on the part of Audrey in her hospital ward.
Or on a similar note, Coop finally woke up in his real Richard persona, only to have trouble letting go of the Coop persona. He still goes off trying to help Laura like old times.
In support of the different reality theory is, or course, Coop acting so differently - during the horrible sex, he looks so evil. The music, and Diane's reactions really track with this as well. We also see that the motel that Coop and Diane stayed in changed from a single storey to a two storey the morning after. Apparently as well, the petrol station that Coop and Laura stop off at is a real fully functioning one station. Oh and the lady that answered the door when they knocked at the Palmer house, turns out to be the actual owner of the house.
The more 'logical' assumption is that Coop woke up as Coop, though he was having trouble clinging onto his old personality. Did Diane leave because she could only see Coop as his doppelganger when they had awkward sex, or had she been consumed by the Linda persona, and regretted their hookup?
I tend to side with this more because of 'Carrie's' awakening as Laura right at the end - she hears her mother cry out Laura, and then the terrible memories seem to come flooding back in that haunting scream. Man, Sheryl Lee can scream.
There are so many cliffhanger moments and unresolved parts they could fill another series, or perhaps just even a film. I'd be quite happy with things left just as they are though with this sort of nightmarish quality to it.
As for the finale, there are many theories.
We could all have been witnessing some sort of delusion on the part of Audrey in her hospital ward.
Or on a similar note, Coop finally woke up in his real Richard persona, only to have trouble letting go of the Coop persona. He still goes off trying to help Laura like old times.
In support of the different reality theory is, or course, Coop acting so differently - during the horrible sex, he looks so evil. The music, and Diane's reactions really track with this as well. We also see that the motel that Coop and Diane stayed in changed from a single storey to a two storey the morning after. Apparently as well, the petrol station that Coop and Laura stop off at is a real fully functioning one station. Oh and the lady that answered the door when they knocked at the Palmer house, turns out to be the actual owner of the house.
The more 'logical' assumption is that Coop woke up as Coop, though he was having trouble clinging onto his old personality. Did Diane leave because she could only see Coop as his doppelganger when they had awkward sex, or had she been consumed by the Linda persona, and regretted their hookup?
I tend to side with this more because of 'Carrie's' awakening as Laura right at the end - she hears her mother cry out Laura, and then the terrible memories seem to come flooding back in that haunting scream. Man, Sheryl Lee can scream.
There are so many cliffhanger moments and unresolved parts they could fill another series, or perhaps just even a film. I'd be quite happy with things left just as they are though with this sort of nightmarish quality to it.
Am I misremembering or did Anticoop say "Goodbye my son" to Richard Horn?
It's possible that after Audrey recovered from the explosion, Anticoop came and swept her off her feet, then got bored of her, drove her to insanity for fun and left.
It's possible that after Audrey recovered from the explosion, Anticoop came and swept her off her feet, then got bored of her, drove her to insanity for fun and left.
I have a feeling that if Lynch did another season or a movie to resolve this cliffhanger it would just end in another cliffhanger.
I wouldn't mind a movie or season of what everyone was up to during those 25 years between season 2 and 3.
I thought Naido would be Josie-0-though we did see one scene of Josie here.
Naido is also a near-anagram for "Diane," substituting an "O" for an "E." Omitting these vowels, they are reverse spellings of one another.
http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/Naido
Coop made the mistake of looking back at her though--poor Orpheus looked back twice.
That hexed the reset.
I can't help but wonder if David got talked into doing one more season. Sarah must be this Judy
http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/Judy
But she was supposed to be Josie's twin sister--perhaps BOB's mom?
http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/Part_8
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I'm not sure where they have to go if they did another season.
If you accept that the action we saw on screen before Cooper went off into dream-upon-dreamland as having happened, then Bob is dead. Also, the actor who played Albert is dead, so we lose him. There's plenty of great stories that could be told with characters who are both living and with living actors, but with diminished cast and no driving force to the story you risk turning into the post-murderer reveal episodes of the original.
I guess if you use Sarah as the driving force.
If you accept that the action we saw on screen before Cooper went off into dream-upon-dreamland as having happened, then Bob is dead. Also, the actor who played Albert is dead, so we lose him. There's plenty of great stories that could be told with characters who are both living and with living actors, but with diminished cast and no driving force to the story you risk turning into the post-murderer reveal episodes of the original.
I guess if you use Sarah as the driving force.
