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Tweaking Star Trek History

Count me in as another one who would have vastly preferred Phase II over TMP. I hear what TREK GOD is saying about Roddenberry's utopia stuff, but like BillJ I think that just with the original cast alone it would have at least been better than the first two seasons of TNG.

And honestly, who really knows what would have happened in that show? Look at how TNG and DS9 evolved over each progressive season.
 
...I think that just with the original cast alone it would have at least been better than the first two seasons of TNG.

I actually like seasons one and two of TNG better than anything else that came later. It still "felt" like a Roddenberry series even with his philosophical changes.

But I'd still have rather had Phase II.
 
Bill, I actually agree about the Roddenberry feel.

I've watched the first three TNG episodes and they feel very much like they have Roddenberry's touch, even if the actors and writers are still discovering their characters.

I do, however, love everything Season 3 and beyond.
 
I do, however, love everything Season 3 and beyond.

There was a shift in the feel of the series when Roddenberry (and, likely, his attorney) was no longer in charge of the day-to-day work. It made the show less enjoyable for me. It doesn't mean that they didn't periodically hit it out of the park after Roddenberry though.
 
She said it to Jim on the Guardian's planet when her whole universe disappeared, also. While I get the complaint that that it was "the woman" that said she was frightened, she had damn good reason and stated in a clear and even tone. To me it was portrayed as an honest sense of what just happened rather than any type of "hysterical woman" nonsense. I think Checkov was frightened once, too, he reacted much more hysterically.
You're right. I'd forgotten about that one other instance. And you're right she had every reason to feel afraid.
Bailey seemed to be pretty terrified of things too, and nobody complained about that...well, except Kirk at first.
 
I do, however, love everything Season 3 and beyond.

There was a shift in the feel of the series when Roddenberry (and, likely, his attorney) was no longer in charge of the day-to-day work. It made the show less enjoyable for me. It doesn't mean that they didn't periodically hit it out of the park after Roddenberry though.


When I had my first TNG run-through a few years back, I came away feeling Season 3-7 were different from 1-2, but that 3-7 were pretty awesome.

Now that I've watching the series right after TOS, TAS, TOS-Movies, and reading about Roddenberry, I'm definitely sensitive to detecting the "Roddenberry feel" and I like seeing it.
 
TNG tried a bit too hard to be another TOS in the first two years but picked up it's own character with season three and took off running! TOS will always be my favourite but I can't understand the hatred that TNG gets these days!
JB
 
I didnt realize there was hate All were products of their era. But, to be fair, I haven't seen the JJ star treks. I don't hate them but I'm just uninterested.
 
There's TNG hate?

Aside from the usual TOS vs. TNG bickerings? I used to get into those arguments too, but I still loved TNG.

By the way, Johnnybear, love the Honkytonk Man avatar. Good work, sir.
 
The Roddenberry feel is very hit and miss. I am glad that there are so many writers who are able to expand on the original Star Trek idea, so we get a world that is fleshed out and generally more interesting.

I wouldn't want a Star Trek without City on the Edge of Forever, The Inner Light, and the Lwaxana Troi episodes. The thing is, for every one of those, there are two Omega Glory/Bread and Circuses/Angel One types.
 
I wouldn't want a Star Trek without City on the Edge of Forever, The Inner Light, and the Lwaxana Troi episodes. The thing is, for every one of those, there are two Omega Glory/Bread and Circuses/Angel One types.

I'll take "The Omega Glory" and "Bread and Circuses" over "The Inner Light" or any Lwaxana Troi episode every day of the week.
 
MAYbe. It all depends, for me, on script quality. The seventies look/vibe (see Buck Rodgers & Space 1999) MIGHT have been cool or even cheesier than the 60s go-go boots.

Oh, that is scary. I loved space:1999 but buck rodgers just lost me. The design of the former was ok (hey, I loved Gerry Anderson and his UFO series) but the latter .... Ugh

If Phase II had've had a similar production design asthetic to Space:1999, then I definitely could have dug that. :techman:

Buck Rodgers on the other hand... no. :p :D ;)
 
Shades of that crazy redhead--were I God, I would have made Howard Hughes a trekkie and had him fund the early Trek movie, fund the series on his own--paid top dollar for guest stars, etc.
 
Tweaking Star Trek history?

There are so many ways this could happen, but since this a personal indulgence I'll play. My nod to realism is not expecting perfection, but rather a little more consistency and hopefully a bit of mild cleaning up in terms of writing.

- In the beginning things play out pretty much as it did with "The Cage" with only minor alterations.
- WNMHGB plays out very close to as is with minor alterations. The series sells and a somewhat better deal is negotiated between Desilu and NBC.
- The series starts in familar form only "The Corbomite Maeuver" is the first episode aired.
- First season plays out with only very few changes, the most major being a solid rewriting of "The Alternative Factor."
- Second season plays out, but with some rethinking to certain episodes, particularly "The Apple," "I, Mudd" and "A Piece Of The Action." As a bonus Lucille Ball manages to keep Desilu going awhile longer.
- NBC comes through and gives Star Trek a better timeslot for the third season and Gene Roddenberry decides to hang around and be more involved. Consequently third season episodes are generally better without losing the decent ones we already had while improving or replacing some of the real disappointments we got. The general calibre of the season is close to that of the second.
- Still, things are not all rosy and there's a real question as to whether the show will be brought back for another year. Amidst all of this is the fact Lucy can't keep Desilu going anymore and capitulates to selling Desilu to Gulf & Western. And while GR did keep his word and stayed to produce Season 3 he still doesn't endear himself to NBC.
- Somehow against all odds NBC opts to stick with Star Trek for another year. They do see it as a prestige series even while putting up with Roddenberry. They also don't have anything better to replace the show with. Against this good news is that Paramount isn't enamored with the show and its expense. They do go along with producing the fourth season, but Paramount suits don't really think the show is worth what it costs and are not against finding a way to letting it go.
- The fourth season slides a bit despite getting some cred because of the Apollo Moon landing. The season overall is a bit better overall than the actual third season we got. And despite the show being popular with its target demographic the ratings aren't translating strongly enough with the general audience. Both NBC and Paramount think they can do better for less money and they finally pull the plug. The added incentive for both is neither will have to deal with Roddenberry anymore.

- Even as Star Trek seems to be done the show starts gettng traction in broader syndication. Fans and Roddenberry continue to pester Paramount to bring the show back in some form. Eventually Paramount concedes enough to get TAS launched and we get a series not that much different from what we got. The better stories we got are retained and the sillier ones are replaced. Nonetheless just like what actually happened TAS has a limited production life with only twenty-two episodes.
- Meanwhile TOS' popularity continues to grow in syndication and fans continue to nag Paramount to revive Star Trek as live-action. Books, comics, models, toys and other tie-in merchandise are generally well received. And rumours start floating that Paramount may be reconsidering what to do about the show. After a good deal of indecision they finally commit to a feature film (this time without the added expense of an aborted TV series). From the get-go more attention is paid to having a properly polished script before filming and sufficient time is given to properly complete the film.
- In 1979 we get Star Trek: The Motion Picture, only this time around it makes a better overall impression. The rough edges aren't there and there's more character drama. Still it is by no stretch an action film in the vein of Star Wars and there is some criticism to that effect. TMP is a good film in its own right--very much in keeping with the spirit if the series--but it aims for something other than what George Lucas was going for. The film does about the same as it actually did, but this time around there are no added costs of an aborted television project to muddy the waters. All told the film does reasonably well yet there is still some lingering sentiment for something more action oriented.

- With the success of TMP fans are hopeful that Star Trek will return to television. But the reality is Paramount still wants to keep Roddenberry at arms length and they aren't ready to commit to a new series. Additionally William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are not interested in committing to the grind of a weekly production schedule. A year goes by before Paramount announces their interest to produce another Star Trek feature film.

To be continued...
 
Clean up some of the inconsistencies ie uespa
set eugenics war further back to 200 years earlier..ie post WW3 in 2050s/60s
clean up messes like omega glory so they are a lost earth colony with war 200 years ago not 1a thousand
uhura speaks klinhon and chekov knows you cant fire a phaser in 6
get rid of the "women cant be Capt" lines...Lester was just an unstable nut not a victim of discrimination
 
By the way, Johnnybear, love the Honkytonk Man avatar. Good work, sir.

Thanks, EnriqueH! I used to love WWF back in the 80s and 90s! Wonder why it isn't that good anymore?
JB:guffaw:
 
Not made "Spock's Brain" or "Turnabout Intruder" :devil:

I just watched Turnabout, and I love the scene of Scotty and McCoy talking in the corridor.

I like both episodes. Especially love in "Turnabout Intruder", when Lester in Kirk's body is hanging on Doctor Coleman, trying to get him to murder Kirk in Lester's body. Great stuff.
 
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