I'm making a list.
I always make lists when Pick-On-Guy-Day rolls around.
I always make lists when Pick-On-Guy-Day rolls around.
Tuvix
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I didn't say any of that, exodus did.
I would put Tuvix in that 'snot' category myself though. Weird (!) thing at first, but we discover he's a person and should have a say in whether he dies or not.
This is exactly why I've been asking the "Tuvix should die" folks how long he should be allowed to exist before Janeway can't force him to undergo the procedure.
Another list? I wonder how you keep track of them all.
I agree with Seven_of_Five, that Tuvix should have been put in stasis right away. The main premise would be this: We don't know how stable his molecular cohesion is and shouldn't chance it by letting him walk around. Also, any further experiences the merged being has is progressing Tuvok's and Neelix's DNA in a new direction, one that may interfere with separation. Best to put him in status until we can figure all this out. And so, if they eventually figure out that they cannot separate him, then free him from stasis to be rejoined with the crew.
After the collation of the one world government in 2150, I doubt that the Geneva Convention would be applicable as anything over than a doctrine against self harm, not that any of the governemnts that signed that contract had probably been around since about 20 minutes after the missiles started flying for the commencement of the 3rd world war.
The Klingons were however screeching about "galactic law" whn they thought that kirk had assassinated Gorkon.
The Klingons were however screeching about "galactic law" whn they thought that kirk had assassinated Gorkon.
Tuvix wasn't a creep, kes was an Idiot.
She loved that her boyfriend Neelix loved her and loved her truly and completely. The honesty and purity and powerfulness of that love.
It made her happy.
Neelix's love gave her a reason to get up in the morning.
You doubt that?
It's the sort of love that lasts a life time.
Maybe two.
And that love still lived inside Tuvix.
Burning.
Like a sun.
It wanted to manifest.
It wanted to explode.
It needed to express itself.
But she said no, and he tried to respect that.
he put his hands in his pockets and mumbled about how unfair the universe is and cried himself to sleep for a month even if Neelix's love inside Tuvix for Kes wanted to defy space time and all heaven just to be by her side and make her a little happier.
but...
Kes just wasn't into that any more.
Because she was superficial enough to only find that exact same love desirable inside a different package.
What's on the inside for Kes doesn't amount to squat.
Tuvix just wasn't as pretty as Neelix.
It's as simple as that.
Oh.
And Tuvix was so ugly Kes had him killed.
Really?
Tuvix is the creep?
Really?
Really?
She loved that her boyfriend Neelix loved her and loved her truly and completely. The honesty and purity and powerfulness of that love.
It made her happy.
Neelix's love gave her a reason to get up in the morning.
You doubt that?
It's the sort of love that lasts a life time.
Maybe two.
And that love still lived inside Tuvix.
Burning.
Like a sun.
It wanted to manifest.
It wanted to explode.
It needed to express itself.
But she said no, and he tried to respect that.
he put his hands in his pockets and mumbled about how unfair the universe is and cried himself to sleep for a month even if Neelix's love inside Tuvix for Kes wanted to defy space time and all heaven just to be by her side and make her a little happier.
but...
Kes just wasn't into that any more.
Because she was superficial enough to only find that exact same love desirable inside a different package.
What's on the inside for Kes doesn't amount to squat.
Tuvix just wasn't as pretty as Neelix.
It's as simple as that.
Oh.
And Tuvix was so ugly Kes had him killed.
Really?
Tuvix is the creep?
Really?
Really?
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As funny as that is I agree that it was Kes at fault. She was being a bit like Worf after Jadzia died, and Ezri turned up.
They didn't have the Geneva convention, but something similar. They name it in Chain of Command, but I don't remember the name.
In any case, Janeway was in a rotten situation. It was lose-lose all the way. In the end, she did what most of us would do, save a person we love over someone who's a two-weeks old result of a transporter accident.
I would have done that, too, even though I do believe that Tuvix had every right to live.
In any case, Janeway was in a rotten situation. It was lose-lose all the way. In the end, she did what most of us would do, save a person we love over someone who's a two-weeks old result of a transporter accident.
I would have done that, too, even though I do believe that Tuvix had every right to live.
This would be the treaty which the Cardassians were pissing away with their invasion, which was monetarily about to be replaced with the infamous document that created the Maquis.
No, I was referring to something akin to the Geneva convention. They refer to it by name, both Picard to Madred and Riker back on the Enterprise. It was Selotis or something like that, I'm too lazy to look it up.
DonIago: I think this is why there will always be threads about this topic. It's such a hard decision to make, and really, in the end, it's up to your own conscience, I suppose. As for me, I am pretty sure what I'd do, even though I would be troubled by that decision, because...honestly, poor Tuvix. He was a sentient life-form, and rationalising that isn't going to go anywhere. But my loved ones are my loved ones, and as the saying goes: family is everything.
DonIago: I think this is why there will always be threads about this topic. It's such a hard decision to make, and really, in the end, it's up to your own conscience, I suppose. As for me, I am pretty sure what I'd do, even though I would be troubled by that decision, because...honestly, poor Tuvix. He was a sentient life-form, and rationalising that isn't going to go anywhere. But my loved ones are my loved ones, and as the saying goes: family is everything.
The war hadn't started yet.
Picard should have been only the err of the Cardassian Customs and tourism board.
Thing about the Klingons is that that those aren't "official' uniforms that they wear into battle and honor, but centuries old heirlooms passed down from generation to generation... Maybe I read this in a novel? But the difference between humane treatment of a prisoner of war and executing a spy is something as simple as a uniform.
This is the same Kes who dumped Neelix 10 episodes later?
Personally, I think Picard kind of had it coming. He took the bait, and everyone knows how the Cardassians react to attempted espionage. And it was espionage. He's lucky he made it out of Union territory alive.
Anyway, back to the topic... exocuting people is wrong. As is torturing people. I'm abhorred, though not surprised.
Anyway, back to the topic... exocuting people is wrong. As is torturing people. I'm abhorred, though not surprised.
I don't think he really meant that. You kind of have to get used to his style of humor which is very... unusual. And be prepared for excruciatingly hard angles of departure from the topic at hand.
Tuvix shouldn't have been killed. It was an accident how he came together, so no one can blame him for murdering two other people. As for him backing out, no one wants to die. The only reason Janeway made that decision is so they could get the characters back for the show to continue the way it was supposed to. Tuvix was punished for being alive. Even though they had a method to get the two back, it wasn't moral anymore. What Janeway did was actively murder Tuvix.
No worries, I was being equally tongue in cheek!I don't think he really meant that. You kind of have to get used to his style of humor which is very... unusual. And be prepared for excruciatingly hard angles of departure from the topic at hand.
How did Madred put it?
Hal from Malcolm in the Middle once said "Don't be silly honey, of course I love you more than you love me, otherwise we'd never get out of bed in the morning."
Just because Neelix loved kes into his second lifetime as Tuvix, and his third as back to Neelix again, unsure if his love irreparably infected Tuvok, which makes 4 (that would have been a marvellous pon far Episode, to reference shadows of Tuvix influencing how he programmed the holodeck to save his life, that his "wife" might not have made the grade.) and Neelix probably loved her still into his 4th life time (FIVE! FIVE lifetimes, mwah-hahahahahahaah!) after Seven brought him back from the dead with nanoprobes... It doesn't matter that Kes only loved Neelix for a 1/5 of a life time 20 times shorter than a humans and 30 times smaller than a Vulcans.
Kes is sorely letting her gender down.
No?
She represents strong?
Just as Cardassian love is much stronger and brighter than human love, Talaxian love is much much brighter and much much stronger than Ocampan love... Besides an Ocampan lifetime is a fraction that of a Talaxian lifetime, so thier smaller love endures for a shorter period.
Hal from Malcolm in the Middle once said "Don't be silly honey, of course I love you more than you love me, otherwise we'd never get out of bed in the morning."
Just because Neelix loved kes into his second lifetime as Tuvix, and his third as back to Neelix again, unsure if his love irreparably infected Tuvok, which makes 4 (that would have been a marvellous pon far Episode, to reference shadows of Tuvix influencing how he programmed the holodeck to save his life, that his "wife" might not have made the grade.) and Neelix probably loved her still into his 4th life time (FIVE! FIVE lifetimes, mwah-hahahahahahaah!) after Seven brought him back from the dead with nanoprobes... It doesn't matter that Kes only loved Neelix for a 1/5 of a life time 20 times shorter than a humans and 30 times smaller than a Vulcans.
Kes is sorely letting her gender down.
No?
She represents strong?
