Tuvix Episode Revisited

[DonIago]

To be pedantic, "Fair Trade" is set after "Tuvix", so it may be that circumstances in place by the time of that episode weren't yet in place during the latter. But I grant that that's pedantry on my part.

It's probably a legal question as to whether Tuvix could really be considered a Starfleet officer given his unique circumstances. Anyway, it would seem to be a minor point in a larger situation.

 

[Oddish]

It's never clear why Janeway enlisted some people as crew and others not, and it changed under certain circumstances. In both "Before and After" and "Year of Hell", for instance, Neelix wore a gold uniform.

 

[douwed]

It is definitely one of the most debated episodes in Star Trek which is great, the episode aired a good twenty years ago and we're still talking about it. Let's see if people still talk about itin another 20 years.

I agree that it is wrong to kill someone, but we are talking about a very specific instance, where there is the option to undo an accident, in real life we don't tend to have that option.

 

[Oddish]

The problem was that the "accident" was a sentient being, and didn't want to be "undone". The reason it's been talked about so long was that it's such a disputed issue. For some, it's simple: Tuvix was there, he wanted to live, he had a right to live. It was murder. Others, it's equally simple: it was a transporter accident. Tuvix shouldn't have existed, so perfectly all right to "fix" him. Others take an "in between" view.

Regardless, the scenes on the bridge and after are both well acted and very unsettling, another reason why this episode still fascinates and disturbs us. And the irony that the only voice who speaks for Tuvix is that of a computer program: ones and zeroes show compassion while flesh and blood do not.

 

[Oddish]

Just thought I'd mention that "Tuvix" turns 25 soon. A quarter if a century, and the episode is still controversial and hotly debated.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Just thought I'd mention that "Tuvix" turns 25 soon. A quarter if a century, and the episode is still controversial and hotly debated.

Just as every episode with questionable morals that the Star Trek franchise has ever produced, e.g. "Dear Doctor".

 

[douwed]

Just thought I'd mention that "Tuvix" turns 25 soon. A quarter if a century, and the episode is still controversial and hotly debated.

That is part of the fun of being a fan

 

[Oddish]

That is part of the fun of being a fan

That is certainly true.

 

[Guy Gardener]

In Fair Trade, Neelix gets desperate, because he doesn't know what's happening over the next hill.

BUT if Tuvok already kept of a recording of every thing that Neelix knew about the universe from A to Z, since after they were Tuvix, then Neelix had already been redundant for months before Fair Trade, and he was too dumb to notice.

 

[Oddish]

And Neelix, since he could draw on Tuvok's long friendship with Janeway, would have understood that she wouldn't just throw him unceremoniously off the ship.

I guess we're supposed to assume that most of their memories as Tuvix were lost upon separation.

 

[DonIago]

That's been my interpretation. It certainly makes it easier to reconcile the lack of follow-up to the episode.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That's been my interpretation. It certainly makes it easier to reconcile the lack of follow-up to the episode.

Tuvok made a command decision to abandon janeway, and Kes talked him out of it.

Neelix's love was clouding Tuvoks mind?

Also...

The Kazon never would have gotten Voyager in Basics, if Voyager hadn't zig zagged in space for 9 months to pick up Janeway from the resolutions planet.

 

[Swedish Borg]

If Tuvix had somehow inherited Seska's will to survive along with her meanness, he would have reprogrammed the transporter to mix people at random. The ship would be filled with Chakaris, Kimways, Kesores...

 

[Oddish]

Hmmm...

Would a Kimway be an ensign or Captain?
How long would a Kesorres live?
Would Chakotaris have the tattoo on his face?

 

[Swedish Borg]

Hmmm...

Would a Kimway be an ensign or Captain?

A more pressing question would be would Kimway be a male or a female?

How long would a Kesorres live?

Kesorres would often get mad at people (Like Lt Carey) but instead of punching them in the nose, she would make their nosebleed with her mind!!!

Would Chakotaris have the tattoo on his face?

Chakotaris would keep telling stories about the beret-wearing cheese-making people and their strange ways of doing things. He would induce a state of ecstasy by sniffing a well-done camembert and an old Bordeaux...

"Bouillabaisse! We are far from the baguettes of our ancestors..."

 

[Oddish]

A more pressing question would be would Kimway be a male or a female?

Maybe that's where the genderless people in "The Outcast" came from.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If Tuvix had Kes Powers, because he had Kes' lung... That means that he can time travel and warp space without a ship, and convert to a pure energy state.

Oh.

If Tuvix went to live on the Caretaker plane as energy, when he got there, or when he came back... Would he still be Tuvix?

If Tuvix figured that out, and it took me 25 years, that means that he could have gone back to his original states whenever he wanted, and he didn't want to, and his subconscious, Tuvok and Neelix, if they did have some say so, also didn't want to, then that sounds like a consensus.

 

[Guy Gardener]

A more pressing question would be would Kimway be a male or a female?

Imagine a penis with a vaginal cavity sized urethra.

And that is Kim's face.

 

[Oddish]

Imagine a penis with a vaginal cavity sized urethra.

And that is Kim's face.

I didn't need THAT image in my head.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Imagine a penis with a vaginal cavity sized urethra.

And that is Kim's face.

Thanks! I may never eat again...