TSFS-time from Mutara to Spacedock?

[valkyrie013]

The books have already said that there was an investigation, and if it was used in its proper way on a planet instead of a nebula, it would have been stable.
I wonder if Discover can do an episode or 2 on a genesis device for Season 4.. that would be interesting.

 

[Timo]

It''s a very bad thing to claim that Genesis would have worked "if not for X". After all, the whole point is that we can't have Genesis, because it would be the end of Star Trek.

ST3:TSfS was written the way it was because the writers strongly believed Genesis was way too powerful a thing to have around. It had to be a total failure or else it would disrupt Trek, making it unnecessary to go explore strange new worlds because those could be built on one's back yard at the push of a button.

Whether the writers were right or not, total negating of Genesis was the only way to go. If anything, total negating was too little: even if Genesis was incapable of creating stable planets, it would still be a fine weapon of mass destruction. So saying it doesn't work and it's based on unethical tech helps a lot, and implying that the tech is unethical because it can backfire big time is the necessary final ingredient there. What is needed is Genesis that blows on the face of the user more often than not. And this is apparently what we get, because there is no Genesis after ST2:TWoK, either as a planet-builder or as a WMD.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Maurice]

I'll be damned: She revised it! I located the passage in McIntyre's novelization via Google Books, and -- unlike the version I personally read in the 1980s -- it reads:

"The company watched the dark torpedo streak away against the silver-blue shimmer of the new world, until the coffin shrank and vanished."
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That's a surprise, as Marge Gunderson once said.

Unless you can find a copy with the text you describe, I'm not convinced.

 

[dupersuper]

The books have already said that there was an investigation, and if it was used in its proper way on a planet instead of a nebula, it would have been stable.

What books?

 

[valkyrie013]

What books?

Well, what Memory Alpha says, guessing the Genesis Wave book trilogy..

 

[Vger23]

Since TSFS is visually incongruent with TWOK (aforementioned additional battle damage and Saavik recasting), let me be the first to submit the obvious fact that it clearly takes place in a different timeline....as does TVH from TSFS, given the visual discontinuity of the BoP bridge not matching, as well as Checkov’s altered outfit.

 

[Indysolo]

Since TSFS is visually incongruent with TWOK (aforementioned additional battle damage and Saavik recasting), let me be the first to submit the obvious fact that it clearly takes place in a different timeline....as does TVH from TSFS, given the visual discontinuity of the BoP bridge not matching, as well as Checkov’s altered outfit.

Maybe it's the battle bridge.

 

[Daddy Todd]

I'll be damned: She revised it! I located the passage in McIntyre's novelization via Google Books, and -- unlike the version I personally read in the 1980s -- it reads:

"The company watched the dark torpedo streak away against the silver-blue shimmer of the new world, until the coffin shrank and vanished."
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That's a surprise, as Marge Gunderson once said.

I dug out a first printing of the novelization, July 1982, and it reads exactly as you quoted above. Despite what you ‘remember’ having read in the ‘80’s, it’s never been anything different. Perhaps an example of the Mandela Effect?

 

[Vger23]

I watched TSFS last night, mostly inspired by this thread. Such a nice film. It still pains me that it is underrated by so many.

 

[gottacook]

I dug out a first printing of the novelization, July 1982, and it reads exactly as you quoted above. Despite what you ‘remember’ having read in the ‘80’s, it’s never been anything different. Perhaps an example of the Mandela Effect?

There were many different print runs of the "first Pocket Books printing, July 1982" paperback, as shown in Google Books' copy seen at www.google.com/books/edition/The_Wrath_of_Khan/2yeDVKe9elkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=wrath+of+khan&printsec=frontcover (scroll down 3 pages). This is indicated by the number sequence just below it: 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13. That means that there had been 12 previous print runs of the "first printing." I suspect that the copy I saw then (i.e., coffin seen to burn up upon atmosphere entry) was from an earlier print run. What's the lowest number shown on your copy's copyright page?

I trust my memory on this. Some copy showing the burnup sentence must still exist somewhere. (Hey, it's difficult enough to convince some people that TWoK was initially released without the II in its title, or that Star Wars wasn't always subtitled "Episode IV: A New Hope", or that Peter Hyams' 2010 wasn't subtitled "The Year We Make Contact" except in advertising.)

 

[Daddy Todd]

What's the lowest number shown on your copy's copyright page?

Full number line all the way down to “1”. It’s legit a first printing. Sorry.

 

[gottacook]

Damn. I would have sworn... Well, I suppose this relates in some obscure way to why I'm still only a Captain.

 

[dupersuper]

Checkov’s altered outfit.

Kirk says they've been there for like three months: were they supposed to be in the same clothes?

Well, I suppose this relates in some obscure way to why I'm still only a Captain.

Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you out of that chair.

 

[David cgc]

Kirk says they've been there for like three months: were they supposed to be in the same clothes?

Well, Chekov already changed his clothes between leaving Spacedock and arriving at Genesis, so maybe he was the only one with the presence of mind to pack a duffle for the trip. And, um, freeze-dry it into a hyper-compressed card he could keep in his pocket.

 

[Timo]

The closets of the ship might still be packed with personal items for the crew, who were rather in denial of the ship being headed for the scrappers. That Chekov gets to change his shirt and later grab a leather jacket is hardly worth commenting on.

It's not Chekov who gets a mystery change - it's Scotty. Chekov's black shirt and leather jacket from Genesis are the same when ST4:TVH opens, and McCoy wears pretty much what he did, too. Sulu is somewhat oddly wearing his civilian jacket, the one he wore for the Spacedock escape, rather than the leather one he had on Genesis, but we could say he wore one under the other (and it's possible Takei actually did exactly that). Uhura of course has the uniform, and Kirk wears what he did. But Scotty on Vulcan suddenly gets a black vest and a white pullover from out of nowhere.

(And a Commander pin instead of a Captain one - but perhaps he lost the former and borrowed the latter from Uhura?)

Timo Saloniemi