I haven't seen previous seasons, but this show has really caught me!
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Wow.
We're really in the shit now.
I really thought the episode would end with Navarro arriving...but then episode kept going and gave us a clear and immediate answer of how they would handle Prior shooting Hank. I mean, we knew that's what would probably happen, that Hank's death would be Prior's Wheeler, but damn.
Instead, we leave on Danvers and Navarro barreling deep into the Night Country. Fuck if I know what they'll find but it's far more interesting the Sky Land conspiracy cover-up mess.
I thought I was going to open on this point but the conclusion had other plans: I don't think I've ever seen a show or film depict this particular aspect of a cremation. Usually it's the body going in the furnace and then it's the ashes in the urn. But the cold opening showed us a step that I had no idea even existed. Makes me think of how most shows and films don't show the entire film development process and just skips to the printing. This was a deliberate choice, to show what Navarro was going through, and it's one that I greatly appreciate.
We're really in the shit now.
I really thought the episode would end with Navarro arriving...but then episode kept going and gave us a clear and immediate answer of how they would handle Prior shooting Hank. I mean, we knew that's what would probably happen, that Hank's death would be Prior's Wheeler, but damn.
Instead, we leave on Danvers and Navarro barreling deep into the Night Country. Fuck if I know what they'll find but it's far more interesting the Sky Land conspiracy cover-up mess.
I thought I was going to open on this point but the conclusion had other plans: I don't think I've ever seen a show or film depict this particular aspect of a cremation. Usually it's the body going in the furnace and then it's the ashes in the urn. But the cold opening showed us a step that I had no idea even existed. Makes me think of how most shows and films don't show the entire film development process and just skips to the printing. This was a deliberate choice, to show what Navarro was going through, and it's one that I greatly appreciate.
I have no clue how they're going to wrap this up in one episode!
I didn't know. I did not see that coming at all.
I had a horrible feeling Hank was going to kill his son.
I was being a bit dense as well because I wondered why they'd flipped the photos of Wheeler's wife and for a second had an overly complicated idea that maybe he hadn't been the one abusing her until I realised they did it because they'd shot him the wrong side of the head (insert Homer Simpson gif here)
@The Nth Doctor the cremation scene was very interesting. I think it's one of those processes that we don't like to think about the specifics of, which is probably the same as a lot of processes around the dead. I still recall the night my mum died the staff at the care home suggesting that me and my sister probably wanted to leave before the people from the funeral home arrived
I've really enjoyed this series, definitely the best one along with the first season and Foster's been incredible. I do feel it needs to lean into the supernatural more (or maybe possibly less) as the distinction between the ordinary and extraordinary is a little jarring--but maybe it's meant to be.
I was being a bit dense as well because I wondered why they'd flipped the photos of Wheeler's wife and for a second had an overly complicated idea that maybe he hadn't been the one abusing her until I realised they did it because they'd shot him the wrong side of the head (insert Homer Simpson gif here)
@The Nth Doctor the cremation scene was very interesting. I think it's one of those processes that we don't like to think about the specifics of, which is probably the same as a lot of processes around the dead. I still recall the night my mum died the staff at the care home suggesting that me and my sister probably wanted to leave before the people from the funeral home arrived
I've really enjoyed this series, definitely the best one along with the first season and Foster's been incredible. I do feel it needs to lean into the supernatural more (or maybe possibly less) as the distinction between the ordinary and extraordinary is a little jarring--but maybe it's meant to be.
Same here.
Is it generally a supernatural accepting show ?
Grinding balls ?
No. This appears to be a big change.
I have to say I'm genuinely surprised by how well everything fit together in the end with clear answers to (almost*) all of the mysteries. I love the rawness of the dark psychology, the vengeful anguish, and the healing spirituality of this season and how all of them affected every aspect of each character and storyline. Jodie Foster and Kali Reis in particular were absolutely masterful in their performances and I really hope they get the proper recognition they deserve when award season comes around.
I imagine Nic Pizzolatto doesn't like how this season played out because of the clarity of answers. I know he didn't like it from the onset but I don't know if his judgment was based on what was aired at the time he commented or if he had already seen/read the whole product. Either way, I don't care. I do agree that Night Country stands wholly on its own, separate from the first season, and I hope viewers in general enjoyed it on the same level as I did, regardless of any connections it has with that season.
At some point down the road, I think I'll have to rewatch both the first and fourth seasons again. Not just out curiosity of how well they gel together but also because they both were so damn good.
I imagine Nic Pizzolatto doesn't like how this season played out because of the clarity of answers. I know he didn't like it from the onset but I don't know if his judgment was based on what was aired at the time he commented or if he had already seen/read the whole product. Either way, I don't care. I do agree that Night Country stands wholly on its own, separate from the first season, and I hope viewers in general enjoyed it on the same level as I did, regardless of any connections it has with that season.
Remind me of those quotes and their respective contexts? I haven't seen the first season since it first aired.
At some point down the road, I think I'll have to rewatch both the first and fourth seasons again. Not just out curiosity of how well they gel together but also because they both were so damn good.
Absolutely marvelous ending. Had me on the edge of my seat. So glad Liz and Evangeline got some measure of peace.
"Time is a flat circle" - if season 1 had an emblematic line of dialogue, that would probably be it. It was said by LeDoux before getting executed and later quoted by Cohle.
"Before you were born and after you die" was said by Betty when she was confronted by Marty in the season 1 finale.
"Before you were born and after you die" was said by Betty when she was confronted by Marty in the season 1 finale.
On a related note I still don't get why the symbol used by the Tuttle cult was also being used by season 4 characters ( and in service of an entity conceptualized as female, to boot ). This stuff reminds me of something from The Clone Wars, where two characters with no direct connection that we know of used identical dialogue and the only explanation is that they're both connected to the dark side.
Night Country couldn't be written by a man. This was a story about women, told from a female pov. The Night Country itself is grief - Liz's grief for her child, Eva's grief for her mother and sister, their shared grief for the woman murdered by Wheeler, the midwives' grief for Annie. Also, the activists' grief for the land. And eventually the spirit of that land judges and executes the scientists. "She is awake" indeed.
Deadline has published an excellent interview with Kali Reis about her experiences on the show, how she got involved with it (and her shock to learn she was going to work with Jodie Foster after signing up for the show), what it meant to her to depict the horrors of violence against indigenous women, the subsequent justice for them, and the amazing coincidence of how her real-life cheek piercings (which Issa López insisted she keep in) have a historic connect with coastal Alaskan tribes. I highly recommend everyone read the whole thing.
Absolutely. Agreed 1000%. The Deadline interview touches on some of that, as well as how Danvers finally learned to step back and listen to the indigenous women.
I'm still trying to determine if the reveal was beautifully done or a cop out. I think another watch is definitely going to be in order. I guess in hindsight it was never going to go fully supernatural on us and at least it left enough unanswered questions that we can still choose to believe in something beyond the normal.
While of course we know that every one of the men on the science base were complicit in Annie's murder (including Clark who was the one to finish her off) there is no way the women could have known that, even putting two and two together, but I guess they though "exile them all into the snow and let 'Her' sort them out". It does bug me that not one of those men had any kind of flash on conscience in the intervening time, but we never learned much about any of them beyond Clark, they were little more than ciphers, walking plot points (which is of course exactly what female victims of crime tend to be far too often so I'm not massively complaining here).
Overall I've enjoyed it a lot, and it's definitely the best season after the first. Foster in particular has been great. Did I enjoy it quite as much as I did Fargo S5? Probably not but I think that says more about how good Fargo was. My only complaint about Night Country is a bit of an odd one. I often watch these streaming shows and think they're too long (this didn't need to be 8/10 episodes, they could have told this story in 6) but here I think I felt the reverse. I kinda wish it'd been longer. In particular I'd have liked to find out more about Fiona Shaw's character.
Oh and one final, random thought, it took me till the last episode to realise where I knew Clark from. He's Eve Polastri's husband which means the show has two Killing Eve alumni in it!
While of course we know that every one of the men on the science base were complicit in Annie's murder (including Clark who was the one to finish her off) there is no way the women could have known that, even putting two and two together, but I guess they though "exile them all into the snow and let 'Her' sort them out". It does bug me that not one of those men had any kind of flash on conscience in the intervening time, but we never learned much about any of them beyond Clark, they were little more than ciphers, walking plot points (which is of course exactly what female victims of crime tend to be far too often so I'm not massively complaining here).
Overall I've enjoyed it a lot, and it's definitely the best season after the first. Foster in particular has been great. Did I enjoy it quite as much as I did Fargo S5? Probably not but I think that says more about how good Fargo was. My only complaint about Night Country is a bit of an odd one. I often watch these streaming shows and think they're too long (this didn't need to be 8/10 episodes, they could have told this story in 6) but here I think I felt the reverse. I kinda wish it'd been longer. In particular I'd have liked to find out more about Fiona Shaw's character.
Oh and one final, random thought, it took me till the last episode to realise where I knew Clark from. He's Eve Polastri's husband which means the show has two Killing Eve alumni in it!
Yeah, I really took the bait on that one, probably mostly due to the vibe of episodes 3 and 4, among other things.
The microbe thing went nowhere special.
But we're still left with Lund's dialogue at the end of episode 3 and Navarro's visions. Generally several characters experiencing, or seeming to experience, something akin to clairvoyance. Almost as if there is some kind of substratum of reality, beyond the normal, connecting them.
I've seen it suggested somewhere on the internet that Navarro imagined the bit where Lund was talking about her mother. Such a thing had never occurred to me, I took that part completely at face value.
And when it comes to her visions, I suppose that if one were to insist upon looking at it from a materialist point of view, it's because she comes from a family of schizophrenics, or something like that?
And Rose just had the random intuition to go out on the ice ( leaps of intuition would certainly be on brand for this series, as viewers of the earlier seasons can attest ), but imagined Travis Cohle leading her there?
I think that's fantastic news. Issa López breathed in some much needed fresh air into series, even if that wasn't what she originally intended to do.
Jodie won the Emmy!!!!
Crazy how this is her first Emmy win!
Crazy how this is her first Emmy win!
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