I would agree with this.
Clu and Sam are both sons of Kevin, both fighting for attention....
TRON: Legacy - Review and Grading
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I would agree with this.
Clu and Sam are both sons of Kevin, both fighting for attention....
I also found a fair amount of Christian mythological concepts in the movie. Nothing overt and totally open to interpretation but they're in there. Interesting article, and indeed some of the same thoughts I've had about the movie. It's too bad that the plot was so basic and flawed because there is a lot of interesting stuff in the film.
It was visually striking and entertaining enough but deplorably sexist. The female lead is ok (although there is a wierd thread where it seems its blatant purpose is to place her in peril so she has to be rescued by the man) but she's a bit like Princess Leia amongst a sea of male characters. It's rather frustrating that so many modern writers seem to be getting worse when it comes to roles for women in sci fi! Overall the 3D was nice but not essential or overpowering and it was about on par with the original.
Agreed... I think people should make a point of seeing this twice.. Once to enjoy the visual aspects and the second to actually pay attention to the story.
The problem is, there are very simple dramatic mistakes made in the film that make it seem amateurish. As an example, there most definitely should have been more with Castor and the club earlier in the movie, instead of meeting him/he's someone else/he's betrayed us. Without knowing him from earlier, we really don't care. It wouldn't have required much, five minutes.
If simple things like that were corrected, I think the movie would have been brilliant. There's a lot of depth to it. It's just that it's form in telling the story is really sloppy.
If simple things like that were corrected, I think the movie would have been brilliant. There's a lot of depth to it. It's just that it's form in telling the story is really sloppy.
And I was to make a comment on what Quorra's real purpose (other than to look hot), and formulate an opinion on what Kevin and her were doing for those 20 years...
The hype did make her out to be a phenomenal character, but we didn't get it.
(Well, she was phenomenally hot, but not as strong as she could have been).
Things that make you go hmmmm....
Good points...
That's especially odd given that the movie would have worked just as well if Sam had been female and Flynn's protege male; it would have made literally no difference to the story but slight dialogue changes.
I was going over my DVD copy of the original Tron. The second DVD had a lot of pre-production art. I was amazed to notice that much of the "original" designs in the second movie look very much like some of the preliminary art for the first. Most notably the "open" lightcycle, dark with light highlights costume, and wild character with lighted cane.
Even if that were true (hint: it isn't), selling female-centric sci-fi/fantasy to Yanks is damned risky business - just ask the producers of The Golden Compass.
I don't know if I would go as far as to call Quorra's role sexist...it is clear that she is a stereotype in an sci-fi action flick but really I wasn't expecting her role to be any stronger or prominent than it was meant to be. Kind of a classic romantic interest/action hero role in my opinion. It is worthy to note that she and Sam did not kiss during the entire movie. The closest they come really is at the end of the film when she's riding on Sam's bike during the sun rise she kind of settles her head and mouth on the back of his neck. She simply is content. I wonder if that is a conscience decision on the part of the writers and director to not to have them kiss? It is something I found noticeably interesting.
^ I didn't think her role sexist, either. I only thought the general balance of the cast odd.
What do you think wouldn't have worked as well?
(Setting aside box office concerns. Btw, the problem doesn't seem to be female leads - Tomb Raider earned $184 million, Aliens $165 million, and Alien $250 million, adjusted, all of which are above Tron: Legacy's current gross - but the quality of action films with female leads. Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life, which was much less well-reviewed than the original Tomb Raider, earned only $87 million adjusted, despite.)
What do you think wouldn't have worked as well?
(Setting aside box office concerns. Btw, the problem doesn't seem to be female leads - Tomb Raider earned $184 million, Aliens $165 million, and Alien $250 million, adjusted, all of which are above Tron: Legacy's current gross - but the quality of action films with female leads. Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life, which was much less well-reviewed than the original Tomb Raider, earned only $87 million adjusted, despite.)
Actually, the first Tomb Raider got a 33% Metacritic score, and the second a 43%, and the only reason both were made on their mega-budget scales was Jolie's involvement. Aliens did well because Alien was a huge hit, and the box office landscape was very different back then, so that's an iffy example at best. I can't think of one female-protagonist megablockbuster of the past decade that didn't star Jolie, and those lesser-blockbusters that didn't star her tended to crash and burn, so I disagree that a female action lead isn't a huge difficulty in of itself.
As for your question, the last remaining ISO, which Flynn speaks of in such reverent and awed terms, is simply far more mystical and emotionally engaging as a female. It's tonally crucial for her to be the anti-Clu in gender as well as thought.
Now, me being me, I'd have loved to see a hot lesbian Sam(antha) who had the same reciprocal chemistry with Quorra as the Sam we got - but that's not quite what you proposed.
The entire plot could have been resolved in moments if someone had just installed some antivirus software on The Grid.
The CGI youngface was HORRIFIC. It was uncanny valley cranked up to eleven!
The CGI youngface was HORRIFIC. It was uncanny valley cranked up to eleven!
I'm guessing that I'm the only one who found Sam and Quorra not kissing interesting. I point it out because it's rare for a film couple not to show their affection for one another in this manner. I was highly expecting them to kiss outside of Flynn's.
Never said it was gasp inducing...just noticeable.
