Trip & T'Pol: The Good That They Do

[tothebridge]

Welcome, vulcangrrl.


pookha, thanks for the caps.

Trip: Hey T'Pol, I hear the Cap'n picked us two to check out that strange forest on the planet's surface....Soon as breakfast is over, I'll be rarin' to go!

T'Pol: Interesting. There are more than ten variations of this specific plant in the area.
Trip: T'Pol, I don't feel so good. Must've been something I ate this morning.
T'Pol: (continuing with her work) Correction, I have identified twelve distinct varieties of this plant.
Trip: Uh, T'Pol, I'm not kidding....
T'Pol: (sigh) Commander, your 'stomach ache' ruse will not work this time. Dr. Phlox has informed me that mouth-to-mouth resuscitation is not the required treatment for indigestion....(loud sound of something hitting the floor)....Commander?

Snapper said:
Nice caps tothebridge, thanks. But she does seem to be listening at one point. Maybe she was afraid to say anything, Trip had made the Romeo and Juliet comment, and I think she thought it was definitely all over, IMO.

Nice caps, Snapper. T'Pol, does seem to be listening at certain points and there are a few times when it seems she may even be aware of what Trip is hinting at. In the period following "Daedalus" (and before Trip went to Columbia), it really seemed that T'Pol was trying to focus on the Kir'Shara and keep things mainly on a professional level with Trip so, I thought that may've factored into the way she answered the question. And like you mentioned, maybe there was a bit of fear as well...I thought that perhaps she also might fear that if she answered in a different way, it would shift their relationship back to a more personal and intimate level, which would've possibly distracted from her need to explore 'what it means to be Vulcan.'


Anyway, at this point, their normal (and more comfortable) banter and teasing seemed to be missing, and I don't think it really came back until the end of "Bound," speaking of which, I still have some caps to post from that one...hopefully, soon.

 

[auntiehill]

OK..this falls under the "way too much free time" category, but I got this from the thread in Misc:
Hilarious!

and I just had to make my Trip and T'Pol Boogie:
Trip and T'Pol Boogie

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Oh. My. Gawd. They do know how to get their dance on.

The Duel of the Emissaries over in Misc. is a scream, too.

I confess, when I found out you could change their hair by pushing the elevator Up/Down buttons, I wasted a fair amount of time myself. That pink pageboy looks very fetching on Trip.

 

[auntiehill]

^ Doesn't it, though?

Here's the Trip & Archer version, which makes me laugh even harder. I don't know why. I really need to get out more.
Trip & Archer Get Down

 

[boushh]

oh
my
god.

Those are a riot. Thanks for sharing... I think.

I'll add my welcome to vulcangrrl too.

There have been some nice caps over the last couple of weeks. I'm going to backtrack a bit and comment on a few things.

kalysto mentioned that look of Trip's during movie night in "Horizon". I noticed it the last time I watched the episode I think. He's not a happy camper being stuck there with Phlox and T'Pol giving them a hard time.

And from the same episode... This cap killed me:

If she were to channel Trip at that moment, I think she'd be saying "What the heck just happend??"

I love this cap from "Affliction" too:

tothebridge mentioned about whether or not Hoshi was fishing for information ect... I think that maybe she had some strong suspicions that the dreams were T'Pol's and was just looking for confirmation. She may have also been a bit weirded out by the nature of the dreams. Maybe she was just hoping for more interesting gossip, I dunno.

I have the script... I can't remember what the description was like for that scene. I should check it out.

Great pictures tennisgirl, Snapper and ttb

 

[tothebridge]

Oh my eyes!

Thanks for those...uh...inspirational (and hilarious) videos, auntiehill. From now on, I think the T/T one needs to be a standard part of future T/T threads.

I didn't even notice the elevator button feature until I read HR's post. Yikes!

boushh, yes, if you have time, I'd love to know how the script reads for that scene between Hoshi and T'Pol.


I've still got more T/T screencaps from Bound, IAMD, etc. coming.

 

[tennisgirl]

I'll make some extra comments on that dance thingy once I stop LMAO. Oh, now whenever I'm reaing a fic witha really tense scene and these two on it, my mind will flash back to Trip in that pink suit...

 

[vulcangrrl]

Thanks for the additional welcomes!

And those are hilarious!

 

[unchienne]

Newbie on board, and grateful to have found a TnT ship site that's so active. Love the screencaps btw.

I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I came across this great vid on youtube. Warning: very, very sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lI3WnhadJg&mode=related&search=

Btw, anyone have a good, clean pic of Trip (more buffed than I've ever seen him) in the decon room from Broken Bow?

 

[unchienne]

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[pookha]

welcome aboard unchienne

 

[boushh]

Welcome unchienne. That "Chasing Cars" video is a great one. The vidder posts here sometimes too.

Here are a couple from the decon scene, but they are close up and don't show off as much of buff Trip. I'm sure others can supply those either here in the Trip thread.

 

[Reanok]

hello and welcome Unchienne. I wish I could've watched Auntie Hill's TnT video slow server problems.Too bad it's not on Youtube I could've watched it sounds like afun video. Boushh I really like those decon pictures from Broken bow. :thumbsup:

 

[tennisgirl]

Welcome unchienne!!!

Hope you enjoy the TnT thread as much as we do.

 

[pookha]

there is a discussion about the bond going on elsewhere but some specific aspects that have to do with trip and tpol i would rather discuss here.
to me it wasnt just whatever happened in harbinger that bought about the bond.,
but, very possibly all the time they spent together in the third season in very intimate circumstances.

remember how vulcan couples spend that year together after the ceremony. that to me kinda suggests that it takes more then one sex act for the bond to form. that it is developed over time as a couple becomes intimate not with just the sex but just being together .
heck i sometimes used to wonder if something happened between them during some of those intense moments in strange new world.



it also may be that it took certain things for the bond to be active,
one for tpols panar to be cured.
for to actually initiate a meld which maybe acts as a trigger awakening certain parts of a vulcans brain.
and for them to be seperated .

 

[tothebridge]

pookha said:
to me it wasnt just whatever happened in harbinger that bought about the bond.,
but, very possibly all the time they spent together in the third season in very intimate circumstances.

remember how vulcan couples spend that year together after the ceremony. that to me kinda suggests that it takes more then one sex act for the bond to form. that it is developed over time as a couple becomes intimate not with just the sex but just being together .

I made comments in the other thread but to elaborate....I tend to think more than sex would be required to form a bond as well. Seems like there would also need to be some sense of affinity, affiliation, and/or connection (similar to what we humans would call "feelings") that develops from time spent together. And as you indicated, that may've been a focus of the first year that Vulcan couples apparently spend together. In the case of Trip and T'Pol, I think the neuropressure sessions sort of served a similar function.

I think the idea of the bond probably didn't surface until S4, and then the writers had to try to tie it in with past events with limited time, so there are some gaps which leave room for speculation. The use of the word "mate" in particular is interesting because as mentioned in the other thread, it's a rather ambiguous term that can have a range of meanings. And I wonder if that word was deliberately used to give the writers some flexibility in explaining how the T/T bond developed. Anyway, I'm curious to see how this whole issue of bonding, pon farr, etc. is handled in the novels because given some of the elements of TGTMD, seems like it might come into play.


OK, I've been promising "Bound" caps for awhile -- I have more than a few, so it's hard to choose. I'll put up a few that stand out for me. And I know others have some great caps as well, so if you have a favorite that's not included, feel free to add it.


Early in the episode, T'Pol tries to find out if Trip is having daydreams about her. Trip prevaricates, and T'Pol won't tell him the reason for her questions. (Tsk, tsk....)

Later, T'Pol does tell Trip about the bond, and they have the mating discussion.

After the crisis is over, Archer, Malcolm, Trip, and T'Pol share a light-hearted moment in sickbay. Nice to see after the tension between Archer/Reed and T/T in the previous episodes.

Trip and T'Pol leave sickbay with a bounce in their steps. (I'm usually tempted to laugh when I watch them walking down the corridor because it almost seems like T'Pol is close to skipping.) Anyway, Trip says that they proved they make a good team once again, and T'Pol agrees that they work well together.

And it's obvious that they're a lot more relaxed and comfortable with each other here than

in that corridor scene in "Divergence."

Anyway, T'Pol thinks that maybe this is a good time to inquire about Trip's plans for returning to Columbia (since they're both in a good mood and all). Trip says that Captain Hernandez is probably ready to have her Chief Engineer back again and Kelby has been observing his work closely, so....T'Pol counters by saying that Kelby is a good engineer but lacks experience.

And that leads to the "moment of truth." Coming next....

 

[pookha]

tles herself seemed to indicate the bond took time..

In time, we developed a deep connection to each other.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Welcome, Vulcangrrl (Location: Vulcan's Frrrge. Vrrry fnnnny ) and unchienne. Glad you're enjoying yourselves here.

pookha said:
to me it wasnt just whatever happened in harbinger that bought about the bond.,
but, very possibly all the time they spent together in the third season in very intimate circumstances.

remember how vulcan couples spend that year together after the ceremony. that to me kinda suggests that it takes more then one sex act for the bond to form. that it is developed over time as a couple becomes intimate not with just the sex but just being together ...

I agree that it doesn't make sense that one sexual encounter would create a bond that wouldn't manifest for nearly a year. Given Vulcans' intense privacy about emotions and their long-lived marriages (and presumably their tradition of monogamy), it makes more sense that the "deep connection" referred to by T'Les would take time to form, and that other elements, such as companionship and emotional intimacy, perhaps intimate activities such as NP, as ttb suggested, would play a role in its formation.

Actually, I think all the confusion comes down to semantics. The word "bond" seems to mean something entirely different in Enterprise's time than it will mean in TOS's time-- it has no psychic or melding connotation. At this early point, with melding uncommon because of its status as an "unnatural" practice, it doesn't seem likely that the betrothal of children would include anything like a bonding meld; it would more likely be a simple contract between the two sets of parents. References to "bonding" in episodes like Home ("Is that why you refuse to bond with Koss?") probably refer to marriage, not to psychic connections. T'Les calls her sympatico with her husband a "deep connection," not a "bond."

In Bound, when T'Pol explains what's happening between her and Trip, she even characterizes the "bond" as a kind of folk tale ("There's a long-held belief..."), rather than something she knows to be fact. This supports the idea that a psychic link has no connection in current Vulcan tradition with getting married, but is a separate concept, perhaps only spoken of among those who actually form those psychic links. (And among those who secretly follow the old traditions, like melders. Soval, for example.)

...it also may be that it took certain things for the bond to be active,
one for tpols panar to be cured.
for to actually initiate a meld which maybe acts as a trigger awakening certain parts of a vulcans brain.
and for them to be seperated .

Fascinating idea, that the psychic-bond "circuitry" in the brain might be triggered if the Vulcan takes a certain path in life, encountering certain stimuli (from melding, for example)... or might remain untriggered if another path is taken that never includes melding.

Like our DNA. What is it that I heard about what is being revealed from the study of the human genome... that almost all of our DNA is turned off, and we're only using a fraction of what we're theoretically capable of.

tothebridge said:
Anyway, I'm curious to see how this whole issue of bonding, pon farr, etc. is handled in the novels because given some of the elements of TGTMD, seems like it might come into play.

Me, too. Books specialize in delving deeply into what TV doesn't have time for, so let's hope M&M&M, and whoever follows them, spent a bit of time delving.

OK, I've been promising "Bound" caps for awhile -- I have more than a few, so it's hard to choose. I'll put up a few that stand out for me. And I know others have some great caps as well, so if you have a favorite that's not included, feel free to add it.

I have a few here...

Trip: You're wondering if I've been having daydreams about you?

T'Pol: Essentially. (She's so beautiful when she's uncomfortable.)

Trip: Well, let me think...

I found these production stills, too...

T/T remind me of a comfy ol' married couple in this shot.

I just love this one to pieces. Great pictures, ttb.

 

[tothebridge]

HR, I agree with your comments about use of the word "bond." As you and others have indicated, seems like that word in particular was used in different ways when dealing with issues of Vulcan relationships and intimacy.


And nice pics. I especially like the production stills. Is T'Pol standing on a box here or is Trip slouching?

Continuing the T/T corridor scene from "Bound...."


Trip wants to get the cards on the table, so he asks T'Pol, "Why don't you just say it?"

T'Pol plays innocent.... "Say what?"

"That you want me to come back."

T'Pol says that she thought she did and proceeds with a very logical and objective comment on how Trip's presence would be beneficial to ENT’s operations.

But Trip's not going along with it. "No. That you want me back.”

At this point, T'Pol must realize that Trip's "got her number," but she still tries the denial route.... “I don’t know what you mean.”

And Trip calls her bluff. “Well, my mistake. See you around.”

This next series of facial expressions from T’Pol is hilarious as she realizes that she’ll have to show her cards after all….

And after a very Trip-like eye roll

she says the magic word, "Trip."

After Trip turns and waits expectantly, T’Pol finally steps up to the plate.

“I want you to come back.”

But Trip doesn’t seem to be entirely convinced, so he says he’ll think about it and turns to leave again.

And T’Pol decides a different form of persuasive communication is needed.

And there’s still one more part to the scene….

 

[unchienne]

Oh I love that scene. I love how he starts laughing and then gets dead serious when he confronts her about her personally wanting him back. I also love that her look to his reaction seems to be a little-girl pout. Like a child that's just been confronted.

Anyone else notice how aggressive she is during the kissing scenes. She was gentle with Sim, gentle during the second kiss in Harbinger...right before it went to commercial...but all the other times it's like a blitz attack. I wonder if this was a deliberate part on Jolene to portray how T'Pol's affections almost always come after heated internal debate and struggle and/or inexperience.

One thing that always bothered me was Jolene's comments how she couldn't see how a serene person like T'Pol would get with a catfish eating honky-tonk guy...but I think it's been taken out of context too much. Because she then states that maybe there's something in opposites attracting.

I haven't gotten the dvds yet: postponed it this month in order to buy a couple of Enterprise scripts. Do B and B mention when they decided to make these two a couple? And while I've read Jolene's opinion on the matter...what was Connor's on the fact that they decided to make them an on-screen couple?