Trials and Trbble-ations

[Kegg]

My only gripe with T&T is what is arguably the biggest laugh-getter in the whole episode... Worf's "We do not discuss it with outsiders" bit.

I just think that opened up a whole unnecessary can of worms. Hindsight being 20/20 I think it would have been far funnier to have Michael Dorn suddenly look like a 60's Klingon...and have no one comment. Would it have confused some casual viewers? I'm sure. But realistically, by that point in DS9 how many casual viewers even were there?

I loved that bit.

So do I. It's joking with Trek continuity, which struck me as fine. Trust me, the Klingon forehead debate is something that existed prior to this episode, so it's even nudging in the general direction of Trekdom.

And "Trials and Tribble-ations" is probably DS9's most successful episode among casual fans, for obvious reasons. It's about the one episode of the show most casual Trekkies are likely to have seen.

It's also great, and I may actually like it more than the original episode.

 

[Hober Mallow]

As much as I like it, it would have been amazing with the TNG crew.

 

[Bones2]

As much as I like it, it would have been amazing with the TNG crew.

Errrr, not sure I'd have liked that as much.

I'd say in terms of characters, DS9 trumps all the other series, with TOS coming second. On the one hand, Riker with Worf in the bar would have worked, but no one on TNG had that O'Brien/Bashir friendship. And Picard scanning tribbles?

 

[Joel_Kirk]

As much as I like it, it would have been amazing with the TNG crew.

Errrr, not sure I'd have liked that as much.

I'd say in terms of characters, DS9 trumps all the other series, with TOS coming second. On the one hand, Riker with Worf in the bar would have worked, but no one on TNG had that O'Brien/Bashir friendship. And Picard scanning tribbles?

I personally think the TNG may have made the situation a bit stiff.....

I'm partial to the DS9 crew in this sense.

Interestingly, this episode kind of solidified for me that DS9 was more of a sequel to to TOS than TNG...

 

[Ward Fowler]

As much as I like it, it would have been amazing with the TNG crew.

Errrr, not sure I'd have liked that as much.

I'd say in terms of characters, DS9 trumps all the other series, with TOS coming second. On the one hand, Riker with Worf in the bar would have worked, but no one on TNG had that O'Brien/Bashir friendship. And Picard scanning tribbles?

I personally think the TNG may have made the situation a bit stiff.....

I'm partial to the DS9 crew in this sense.

Interestingly, this episode kind of solidified for me that DS9 was more of a sequel to to TOS than TNG...

Agreed. I don't think it would have been nearly as fun with the TNG crew.

 

[Camren]

I wish they had included the scene where Scotty was explaining to Kirk that he started the fight because he took offence to the Klingons insulting the Enterprise, and not when they insulted Kirk. That scene always has me in stitches.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

I wish they had included the scene where Scotty was explaining to Kirk that he started the fight because he took offence to the Klingons insulting the Enterprise, and not when they insulted Kirk. That scene always has me in stitches.

That's a good scene...but from a 'filmmaking' point of view that would have been jarring because the story is told from the pov of the DS9 crew, not the TOS crew...

If O'Brien and/or Julian were watching from somewhere, that scene might have stuck...

 

[The Grim Ghost]

My only gripe with T&T is what is arguably the biggest laugh-getter in the whole episode... Worf's "We do not discuss it with outsiders" bit.

I just think that opened up a whole unnecessary can of worms. Hindsight being 20/20 I think it would have been far funnier to have Michael Dorn suddenly look like a 60's Klingon...and have no one comment. Would it have confused some casual viewers? I'm sure. But realistically, by that point in DS9 how many casual viewers even were there?

It did open up a can of worms, but really only in the novels. Some of the Treklit writers get a little obsessed with trying to explain away every little continuity error. Sometimes it just gets ridiculous, and this is a great example of that.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm wondering why none of the other Klingons recognized Worf. Sure, he had a hat, but they should have been able to "smell" him. And they would have recognized that he carries himself like a Klingon.

Speaking of which, there's a great line in the Tribble-ations novelization, taking place after Sisko has left the Enterprise bridge (he's just given Kirk the duty roster to sign). Kirk and Spock debate over who this guy is, and Kirk says "...he didn't carry himself like a lieutenant." I thought that was pretty cool.

One other thing: Where did all those tribbles on DS9 come from? Who brought them back, Odo?

 

[Terra Pryme]

Where did all those tribbles on DS9 come from? Who brought them back, Odo?

Odo for sure, since he had purchased one and then was sympathetic after Worf mentioned the Klingons wiped them out. And probably Bashir as well after he stepped on one after he and O'Brien got chewed out by Kirk.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ You'd think that Odo and Bashir would have been more careful, given that they have firsthand experience of what a tribble infestation is like.

 

[nx1701g]

It's because God is a DS9 fan.

At least according to the producers. Everything seemed to fall into place for this episode including a chance encounter with the man who played Arne Darvin at a pizza parlor when the idea came to the producers to even do the episode.

 

[doctorfoto]

Where did all those tribbles on DS9 come from? Who brought them back, Odo?

Odo for sure, since he had purchased one and then was sympathetic after Worf mentioned the Klingons wiped them out. And probably Bashir as well after he stepped on one after he and O'Brien got chewed out by Kirk.

Perhaps Dax rescued her old friend Koloth by beaming the tribbles Scotty sent them over to the Defiant.

 

[I am not Spock]

Of the two 30th anniversary eps, T&T is clearly superior.

Everything worked so well. The effects were incredible (for TV), the comedy fantastic.

VOY's Flashback, although they managed to get Takei, Whitney, and Kang back, as well as all the extras on the Excelsior bridge, almost came across like a dismissal of TOS. That scene where Janeway and Kim are talking about the more 'simple' times of Kirk being an example.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Tribbleations was awesome, to be sure, but I find myself wondering what the original idea would have looked like: a sequel to "A Piece Of The Action" where Iotia is now a mirror image of TOS era Starfleet and everyone walks, talks and acts like the original Enterprise crew (due to McCoy's communicator being left behind).

 

[Ziz]

I always thought they were going to allude to that in ENT. Mayweather's family's ship was called the Horizon, and since ENT takes place about 100 years prior to TOS, it was the perfect opportunity for them to have someone asking "Do you know where my book on Chicago Mobs went? Last time I saw it was when we stopped at Sigma Iotia a few weeks ago."

 

[chakotay_lover]

lol ya when worf said we dont talk about it with outsiders, I started to imagine all the possiblilties and ended up confusing myslef and becoming angry when I couldnt bridge the gap. Anyway I liked the visualk effects, I was so impressed with how they incorperated the characters in the mix, like they were there. There was not really anything that impressed me in any episode of ds9, so that says alot. I thought it as cute, when at the end there was tribbles everywhere and how worf hated them. MORTAL ENEMIES HAHAHA! ...thats good.

 

[DevilEyes]

As much as I like it, it would have been amazing with the TNG crew.

Errrr, not sure I'd have liked that as much.

I'd say in terms of characters, DS9 trumps all the other series, with TOS coming second. On the one hand, Riker with Worf in the bar would have worked, but no one on TNG had that O'Brien/Bashir friendship. And Picard scanning tribbles?

And I can't see anyone on TNG making Dax-like comments.

Of the two 30th anniversary eps, T&T is clearly superior.

Everything worked so well. The effects were incredible (for TV), the comedy fantastic.

VOY's Flashback, although they managed to get Takei, Whitney, and Kang back, as well as all the extras on the Excelsior bridge, almost came across like a dismissal of TOS. That scene where Janeway and Kim are talking about the more 'simple' times of Kirk being an example.

I thought Janeway was actually speaking of those 'earlier times' with sympathy and that she seemed to find a certain romanticism in it. I've seen people misquote her line "men like Kirk and Sulu would be kicked out of Starfleet today" as if she was condemning them, when in fact she goes on to say that she sometimes wishes she could be more like them and live in those times. She was pretty much saying 'we have stricter rules today, but it was more exciting back then'. Kind of like someone looking back to the times of Wild West or whatever and finding it all very romantic.