Trek's lowest moment
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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I never bought that there was sexual tension. It was basically Phlox shipping those two, or maybe just stirring up trouble for his own amusement. Perhaps it was an experiment to compare human and Denobulan mating customs? Archer and T'Pol's relationship was always one of respectful, professional distance. Archer's 'breast' flub was an understandable result of sleep deprivation combined with Phlox's unhelpful attempt at counseling.
Think of the nerdy children!
(Actually, I think that's exactly what they were doing.)
Nerdy children everywhere rejoiced
Well put. In my opinion, they take took two scripts to fluff out the run time, and one of them involved Phlox curious about mating rituals.
Let me be clear. My objections to this episode simply stem from the fact that Archer's choices make no sense, as a diplomat, and the sexaul need plot is inserted at random.
If they wanted to do an episode about meeting sexual needs and being out on the frontier, fine by me. But don't drop in the middle of a high stress, diplomatic crisis and medical emergency.
While "A Night in Sickbay" isn't as bad as its reputation suggests, you are pretty much on target about the issues the episode has.
Archer's breast flub was the result of sophomoric writing.
"Fair Haven" and "Spirit Folk" would be pretty high on the list for me. Even higher than "Threshold".
"Fair Haven" and "Spirit Folk" would be pretty high on the list for me. Even higher than "Threshold".
Yeah, those two were pretty bad weren't they?
The "girl" is lieutenant Romaine, a grown, adult woman.
This is actually more funny than low. The way they seem so unconscious of it is what makes it so funny. It supposed to be the 23rd century.
Who knows how many more statements like that are to be found in other episodes?
Ick.
Space Seed and Elaan of Troyius have some damned uncomfortable gender politics.
The latter for having the expected problems of filching from The Taming of the Shrew, and the former for having nearly every conversation between male and female characters resulting in at least one of them suffering a sudden bout of mood swings between sentences. The skeeviness between Khan and McGivers has been covered, but even Kirk seems to get weirdly douchey when dealing with Uhura and McGivers in the opening.
Enterprise wasn't all that bad. Some bad examples is the transporter ghost in the 4th season, can't recall the dialog. Or half the third season where Archer's sense of diplomacy is...lacking. Or that really awful one where Archer and Hoshi turn into aliens and dream their way towards an ancient city. Even Voyager, which brought us such delights as "Threshhold" and "Darkling" wasn't that bad.
The Augments arc could have been done better but it fairly good still; Hoshi's second season transporter accident, and E^2 were quite good.
Although nothing can beat Trouble With Tribbles as the greatest hour of star trek, ever.
The Augments arc could have been done better but it fairly good still; Hoshi's second season transporter accident, and E^2 were quite good.
Although nothing can beat Trouble With Tribbles as the greatest hour of star trek, ever.
The thing that bothers me most about Threshold is that up to a certain point its not a bad episode, at least not to me anyway. Its would never be a great episode but I think if they had come up with some other resolution it would have been average. I hate those 'devolution' themes...didn't like it when they did it in TNG either.
Both were written by Brannon Braga. No one seemed to have the guts to tell him it didn't work the first time.
I always loved "The Omega Glory".
"We killed thousands and they still came!"
I think it would make the basis of a kickass movie.
This theme might also include the episode Extinction, as previously mentioned:
Braga didn't write that one. The real problem with it is not so much the premise as the choice the actors made to play their atavistic alien selves as grotesque morons.
BTW, the above episode summary is not exactly accurate: "dreaming their way towards an ancient city" sounds like something from HP Lovecraft.
I think that movie was 'March or Die' with Gene Hackman.
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