I think it's the fact that the manual control column looked like an arcade joystick you can pick up at gamestop.
Trek's lowest moment
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I think it's the fact that the manual control column looked like an arcade joystick you can pick up at gamestop.
Feels like the lowest point of Star Trek is right about now...
For some, that was a highlight.
TNG "The Child" just every single thing about that episode. Made doubly special by the fact that virtually the exact same story also forms the all time worst Marvel comic book. Avengers #200. Because nothing says Action, Adventure and Romance quite like raping a main character so you can be born. (I would really love to know how virtually the same "crime against humanity" script ended up being made by Marvel and Star Trek.)
Hey now don't you be ragging on Piccard's happy stick. He was the only member of the crew to actually beat the Tron game in 10Forward.
I dunno, when was the comic book released? The Trek episode was from a leftover treatment or script for the canceled "Phase II" series that was being developped in the '70s.
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1980, I think. Besides the Avengers comic going the extra mile in squick with Ms Marvel continue to fuck her baby/rapist, it's surprisingly similar.
It says something that the preferred handling of the story was retconning the Avengers into idiots who didn't notice their friend was kidnapped, brainwashed, and raped
It says something that the preferred handling of the story was retconning the Avengers into idiots who didn't notice their friend was kidnapped, brainwashed, and raped
Unlike Troi, Carol did tear them a collective new arsehole for it.
Also, for somone who apparently did love the little snot-wipe as her child, Troi ends up shockingly blasé about his death and...whatever. I know he gives the 'I'm fine with it' speech, but from her perspective she lost her newborn baby. End of the episode? She's fine, and it's never mentioned again ever.
Stupid, stinking 'we don't mourn' shit. It was annoying enough in TOS when the miraculous emotional recovery happened between episodes (except Rayna.)
Also, for somone who apparently did love the little snot-wipe as her child, Troi ends up shockingly blasé about his death and...whatever. I know he gives the 'I'm fine with it' speech, but from her perspective she lost her newborn baby. End of the episode? She's fine, and it's never mentioned again ever.
Stupid, stinking 'we don't mourn' shit. It was annoying enough in TOS when the miraculous emotional recovery happened between episodes (except Rayna.)
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I thought there was a brief mention much later on when she asked someone if they had ever been a parent. I'm sorry I don't remember the episode.
I don't know of Star Trek as a whole but the weakest moment of Voyager was in the pilot when Neelix appeared on the viewscreen for the first time... and then he joined the crew!
I don't think that it added much to the story of whatever it was that was happening at the time. It was just one line..
The absolute worst thing about The Child is how hard the decent actors are working with the terrible, break glass in case of emergency, 1970s and it was dated then script.
When Riker says 'who's the father?' you can see Frakes give it his all whilst plainly not believing he has to say this, or act the way he's directed to. It's truly terrible. It's like the opposite of Beltran, who decides 'sod it, this line is poor so just get it over with'
I can't say which approach is better.
The fact a fan film then decided to do the phase 2 version?
Should have run screaming from that one.
When Riker says 'who's the father?' you can see Frakes give it his all whilst plainly not believing he has to say this, or act the way he's directed to. It's truly terrible. It's like the opposite of Beltran, who decides 'sod it, this line is poor so just get it over with'
I can't say which approach is better.
The fact a fan film then decided to do the phase 2 version?
Should have run screaming from that one.
Probably Lien's best performance on Voyager.
They may have been mentioned upthread (I read through as much as I could), but two come to the fore for me.
The eye-rolling low point was "Spock's Brain", summed up by McCoy's line, "His brain is gone." I don't know how Kelley got that line out without cracking up.
The social low point, because it was so stupid for a show that professed to be set in a progressive future, was in "Turnabout Intruder", when Kirk remarks that women can't be starship captains in Starfleet. Ridiculous and unforgivable.
Other things in TOS and the other series may have been embarrassing and hard to watch (like Kirk reciting the preamble to the U.S. Constitution), but embarrassing or uneasy moments aren't necessarily low points. Do we reach, brother?
The eye-rolling low point was "Spock's Brain", summed up by McCoy's line, "His brain is gone." I don't know how Kelley got that line out without cracking up.
The social low point, because it was so stupid for a show that professed to be set in a progressive future, was in "Turnabout Intruder", when Kirk remarks that women can't be starship captains in Starfleet. Ridiculous and unforgivable.
Other things in TOS and the other series may have been embarrassing and hard to watch (like Kirk reciting the preamble to the U.S. Constitution), but embarrassing or uneasy moments aren't necessarily low points. Do we reach, brother?
There was also a episode of Space 1999, very similar. The baby matured to a adult very quickly, tried to take over (something stopped him), in the end the baby was back in his mother's arms.
That wasn't Kirk, it as Janice Lester. However Kirk didn't go out of his way to correct her.
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Considering he killed Marcus off and was the one to officially brand him a rapist, I'd say he did blame Marcus.
The other Avengers copped heat for basically doing what the writers of that issue did - not seeing the situation for what it obviously was. Even if you ignore the ending and the bad judgement on display there, there's the niggling fact that the Avengers just sort-of 'forget' by the end that (regardless of his excuses for doing so) Marcus was still a mind (and sexual)-rapist, who kicked the whole thing off by kidnapping a superhero. They passively stood by and let him get away with it, because they didn't treat his actions as seriously as they merited. A pretty big fail for people who are officially and self-recognised crime fighters.
The other Avengers copped heat for basically doing what the writers of that issue did - not seeing the situation for what it obviously was. Even if you ignore the ending and the bad judgement on display there, there's the niggling fact that the Avengers just sort-of 'forget' by the end that (regardless of his excuses for doing so) Marcus was still a mind (and sexual)-rapist, who kicked the whole thing off by kidnapping a superhero. They passively stood by and let him get away with it, because they didn't treat his actions as seriously as they merited. A pretty big fail for people who are officially and self-recognised crime fighters.
I can't believe, for a show that professed to be set in the future, that they didn't film in HD.
Most people don't go out of their way to correct people that are fucking nuts. What would be the point?
Did Kirk know Lester to be "fucking nut" at that point? During that portion of the scene she comes off as just a mildly bitter ex-girlfriend.
While I don't know if Gene Roddenberry wrote that one line, he did create the Turnabout story, and let's face it, Roddenberry was a old school sexist.
Likely the line was meant to say, exactly what it sounds like. That (Human?) women at that time couldn't command starships.
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While I don't know if Gene Roddenberry wrote that one line, he did create the Turnabout story, and let's face it, Roddenberry was a old school sexist.
Likely the line was meant to say, exactly what it sounds like. That (Human?) women at that time couldn't command starships.
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Not sure that anyone disagrees. But the "women can't be starship captains" kinda flies in the face of having a female first officer in "The Cage" and the Romulan Commander in "The Enterprise Incident".
I honestly don't know what the original intent of the line is? Seems like someone would've asked Roddenberry about it while he was still alive.
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