Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams
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More noble? Possibly.
Also more irrelevant and less entertaining.
Dusty Ayres
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No need for this site, huh? Check out the page's video files under 'J.J. Abrams'.
All of the evidence for what they're saying is there, and I must admit, makes for a pretty compelling argument.
Dusty Ayres
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TorontoTrekker said:
The Trekkies Against Torture people, or Dusty Ayres? (I happen to know DA in real life - though he may not realize who I am here- and can say that he's a pretty sincere guy.)
Thanks, TorontoTrekker, for the support.
And no, I'm not a poster at ST.com; that was some other guy. This posting was my own idea.
So... because torture exists in what are essentially spy drama shows therefore they'll be torture in a space opera. One doesn't follow the other which is what is making this a really silly assertion from the get go.
Moreover there's no reason to assume "torture" will be in this film so this is a whole lot of nothing.
Sharr
I'll have you know that I ran a very successful "Alias Fans Against Romulans" website, and it was a tough five seasons, but by God at the end of the series there wasn't one fucking Romulan in the entire Alias run. And that's thanks to me.
Opinion: The representatives of that web site need to (in the immortal words of William Shatner himself), get a life!
Star Trek is ENERTAINMEMT, nothing more, nothing less. It is NOT a philosophy of life nor a religion; and if a good overall story has an ement of toture in it as a plot element or other story device; so be it. If you don't care for that type of story element, don't sit in a theatre and watch the film.
I think that Abrams and company know well enough that if they grossly mischaracterize the main characters, the project will bomb. They seem concerned that Kirk or Spock will be written to be torturing someone, and justify it toward some heroic goal.
I agree that would ruin the movie, but I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think Leonard Nimoy, for one, would appear in a movie with a script like that. I'm just not worried about it.
It is a legitimate issue though, our country's sneaky, cowardly, lawyeristic outsourcing of torture to appear blameless, as well as the Guantanomo BS, and the illegal detaining of Arabs in jails all over the country (spread 'em out and no one can say you're running concentration camps).
There are reasons for concern, but I think Star Trek will be ok. If there is torture in the movie, I feel confident Kirk and Spock will be against it as they should.
I agree that would ruin the movie, but I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think Leonard Nimoy, for one, would appear in a movie with a script like that. I'm just not worried about it.
It is a legitimate issue though, our country's sneaky, cowardly, lawyeristic outsourcing of torture to appear blameless, as well as the Guantanomo BS, and the illegal detaining of Arabs in jails all over the country (spread 'em out and no one can say you're running concentration camps).
There are reasons for concern, but I think Star Trek will be ok. If there is torture in the movie, I feel confident Kirk and Spock will be against it as they should.
This is the other point: I know this is going to be ironic, but I think the folks behind that site have blurred the lines between their entertainment and their politics - Star Trek loses and has lost alot when it gets just a little to "political" and taking sides rather then letting the viewers make a choice for themselves.
If we want to have a talk about the pros & cons of "torture" shouldn't we be doing it in TNZ?
Sharr
No, if the subject is torture, I think the Enterprise Forum is more appropriate.
Exactly.
Besides, Abrams has said he'd be true to TOS thematically. So, the Feds may not torture, but baddies might. The Feds and their associates will be limited to corruption, meglomania, vigilanteism, genocide, cultural contamination, and assorted racist behavior. You know, the typical things we've seen so many of them do in Trek throughout the years.
But no torture.
Federation characters can be portayed as antagonists, so long as Kirk & Co. are against them. I think that is the point as far as keeping the spirit of Trek right.
Where is this infamous TNZ I keep hearing about? I keep hearing references to it but there is no such section in TrekBBS...? Probably just as well, I waste enough time in forums as it is.
Because Archer tortured people, or because watching the show was torture? If it's the latter, I'd suggest perusing the "Stargate Atlantis" topics as well.
People watch that show?
Amazing (and I can't stand SG:A myself); but supposedly, it gets higher ratings then RDM's Battlestar Galactica.
Probably. Most everything does.
Then again, Battlestar Galactica's ratings are inversely proportional to how frakking awesome it is. :thumbsup:
It's a hidden forum that you need to get permission to get into... go to QS&F, and there is a thread to request TNZ access
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