Trekkie vs. Trekker

[Rush Limborg]

Not aimed at you directly, Alexander, but

[rant]

I wish there was an easy way for women to try dating from a guy's point of view. You wouldn't believe the hell you put us thru with this "double standard" shit.

If a woman judges a guy by his paycheck, she's evaluating his qualifications as a husband and provider. If a guy judges a woman by her paycheck, he's a cheap moocher who only wants her for her money.

If a woman judges a guy by his looks, she's evaluating his genetic makeup to determine what potential children will be like. If a guy judges a woman by her looks, he's selfish and shallow and only interested in her body.

If a guy talks dirty to a girl, that's sexual harassment.
If a girl talks dirty to a guy, that's $3.99 a minute.

Dennis Miller:
We should put all our time, money and know-how into genetically engineering a third sex that everyone can just fuck indiscriminately without feeling the need to phone the next morning. And while this solution may sound silly, it's no sillier than what we're doing now - a tentative sexual two-step in which neither partner wants to lead, neither partner wants to follow, and everybody's feet are getting stepped on.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

[/rant]

YEAH, righton, righton, RIGHTON!!!

Here's a rant of my own:

You know all that Cosmopoliton, female-psycologist bull about men being "simple creatures"?

It seems to ME...that "complex" is therefore a synonym for being totally, irritating CONFUSING!!!

THIS is a big reason, BTW, why I like Ezri a THOUSAND times better than Jadzia.

Ezri doesn't put men through all that nonsense--not intentionally, anyway.




Rant's done. Now let's get the heck back on topic.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I think, personally, that relationships should be based on respect, on both sides. That was why I liked Ezri, as well--she seemed to have more respect for people, including men. She wasn't all about being a tease--she seemed more REAL.

 

[Rush Limborg]

^(O'Brien voice): Exactly. EXACTLY!

See, Noel/Nerys, you understand. Why can't most girls see that, huh?

Why all this "Men Are Simple Creatures" hogwash?

 

[Alexander]

Not aimed at you directly, Alexander, but

[rant]

I wish there was an easy way for women to try dating from a guy's point of view. You wouldn't believe the hell you put us thru with this "double standard" shit.

If a woman judges a guy by his paycheck, she's evaluating his qualifications as a husband and provider. If a guy judges a woman by her paycheck, he's a cheap moocher who only wants her for her money.

If a woman judges a guy by his looks, she's evaluating his genetic makeup to determine what potential children will be like. If a guy judges a woman by her looks, he's selfish and shallow and only interested in her body.

If a guy talks dirty to a girl, that's sexual harassment.
If a girl talks dirty to a guy, that's $3.99 a minute.

Dennis Miller:
We should put all our time, money and know-how into genetically engineering a third sex that everyone can just fuck indiscriminately without feeling the need to phone the next morning. And while this solution may sound silly, it's no sillier than what we're doing now - a tentative sexual two-step in which neither partner wants to lead, neither partner wants to follow, and everybody's feet are getting stepped on.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

[/rant]

While the Miller concept of a third sex still disturbs me, I totally agree. There are a lot of double-standards in dating that I don't like, and that I strive not to abide by. I want to date fair, so to speak. Now, while I'm not exactly prone to really wanting to date a guy deemed as 'ugly' on first meeting him... no one really wants to date someone who they find unattractive. However, I am all for giving people chances. I'm not going to snuff anyone out because they're a 'nerd' or because they are 'ugly.'

However, that's not to say I'm just going to date anyone without considering their looks at all. I'm always going to choose someone I find attractive over someone who I find to resemble the vomit monster from Poltergeist. I don't think this makes me shallow... because as I said, I don't think anyone wants to enter a relationship with someone they find truly unattractive.

At any rate, some of the people I've found myself most attracted to over the years hasn't been because of their rockin' good looks, but rather because of the content of their character, their personalities, and the types of people they are. Those are the things that should attract a person... and when someone can have those good qualities as well as a pretty face... well, I'm not quite sure they exist. But I hope they do.

 

[Ziz]

Right, but the issue is that a lot of women set such high standards that no human being on planet Earth could ever possibly meet, then they complain that they can't find a man they want to be with.

Let me throw one last one on ya...





"I WANT YOU TO RESPECT ME FOR MY MIND!"





See how dumb that sounds, girls?

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

^(O'Brien voice): Exactly. EXACTLY!

See, Noel/Nerys, you understand. Why can't most girls see that, huh?

Why all this "Men Are Simple Creatures" hogwash?

Well, I'd say what I am looking for most in a guy is someone I can REALLY engage with on all levels, and that includes interests, intellect, personality, values, and so on.

Crass or shallow behavior on either side...it doesn't look good. At all.

 

[Alexander]

Right, but the issue is that a lot of women set such high standards that no human being on planet Earth could ever possibly meet, then they complain that they can't find a man they want to be with.

Let me throw one last one on ya...





"I WANT YOU TO RESPECT ME FOR MY MIND!"





See how dumb that sounds, girls?

This is exactly why my aunt is on the track to being a total spinster She's past the mid thirties, never married, and her closest male companion is her dog. Because she wants more than anyone can even hope for.

 

[TrekNut87]

Neither.

I like Star Trek, plain and simple. Whether someone considers themselves a Trekkie/Trekker is irrelevant, because we're all fans regardless of the degree.

 

[Nardpuncher]

I just saw Trekkies 2 on Cinemax last night and there was a story told that Gene Roddenberry once greeted the fans at a convention by saying "It's great to see all you trekkies!" and apparently someone in the audience yelled back "Trekkers!!" and Gene said back: "It's Trekkies...and I should know, I created the thing!"
If true, that's great.

 

[Greg Cox]

Doesn't matter. Either way, soon as you say "Star Trek", the look on a woman's face is such that she looks like she would have felt better if you said "serial rapist murderer".

And that is why God invented science fiction conventions.

 

[DataLives]

Hello,

I simply say that I am a Star Trek fan.

Trekkie, Trekker; potato, patato.

Funny on the relationships thing..

If, when I mention Star Trek in conversation, I get "that look" from the person, I pretty much dump them into the "ignorant moron" bucket until they go above and beyond to climb out of it.

If you get attitude about Star Trek from a date, man or woman, I think that it is a pretty good indication of incompatibility.

I am fortunate that my husband is also a huge Star Trek fan. He actually watched TNG all by himself as a teenager, no one else in his family knows a Vulcan from a Tribble.

It was a family event in my home.

Peace and Long Life.

DataLives.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Right, but the issue is that a lot of women set such high standards that no human being on planet Earth could ever possibly meet, then they complain that they can't find a man they want to be with.

Let me throw one last one on ya...





"I WANT YOU TO RESPECT ME FOR MY MIND!"





See how dumb that sounds, girls?

This is exactly why my aunt is on the track to being a total spinster She's past the mid thirties, never married, and her closest male companion is her dog. Because she wants more than anyone can even hope for.

If that's the attitude guys take about respecting women for their minds, honestly, I can't blame her one bit.

 

[Ziz]

My experience, Nerys, has been that whether in personal or business relationships, the majority of the women I've met only feel like they're being treated equally when that equality is handed to them. As soon as they have to put any effort into earning that equality, that's when they start crying "discrimination" and cop an attitude.

I treat everyone - male, female, parent, child, subordinate, superior - the same way: "If you ask me a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear." You'd be amazed how many overinflated egos I've managed to filter out of my life. What's left are the ones who are smart enough and objective enough to realize that I'm not being insulting, just being honest.

And of those that are left, over 90% of them are male. What does that tell you?

Anyway, to get the thread back on track, the point of this whole sidebar discussion is that it doesn't matter what you think of yourself or others or how you treat them. Soon as you tell someone you're a Trek fan, they're going to instantly judge you as being a different kind of person than they thought you were before you told them.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

My experience, Nerys, has been that whether in personal or business relationships, the majority of the women I've met only feel like they're being treated equally when that equality is handed to them. As soon as they have to put any effort into earning that equality, that's when they start crying "discrimination" and cop an attitude.

I treat everyone - male, female, parent, child, subordinate, superior - the same way: "If you ask me a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear." You'd be amazed how many overinflated egos I've managed to filter out of my life. What's left are the ones who are smart enough and objective enough to realize that I'm not being insulting, just being honest.

And of those that are left, over 90% of them are male. What does that tell you?

It tells me you have a PR problem and may well come across as an abrasive know it all.

I think if a person finds they get along primarily and overwhelmingly with their own gender they should seriously explore the potential in having a relationship with their own gender instead of despairing at how stupid the opposite gender seems to them. A lot of people seem to not actually like the opposite gender and when they talk about what they are looking for and what they are weeding out it seems that they really are looking for the characteristics they find in their own gender in the opposite. Why not just give up on that and see if you can retrain your attractions to your own gender? Might be interesting.

 

[Ziz]

No thanks. I know the difference between what I'm attracted to physically vs. intellectually, and I'm not gonna tip the scale the wrong way on purpose just to force it to balance.

I have found women who appreciate the way I think, they're just few and far between.

Men's and Women's brains explained

 

[Sector 7]

Neither.

I like Star Trek, plain and simple. Whether someone considers themselves a Trekkie/Trekker is irrelevant, because we're all fans regardless of the degree.

Just who do you think you are?!?!?!?! Trying to get this thread back on topic?! How dare you?!
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I shall give you and "A" for effort, my friend!

 

[Ziz]

Hey, I tried to get the thread back on track too...

Anyway, to get the thread back on track, the point of this whole sidebar discussion is that it doesn't matter what you think of yourself or others or how you treat them. Soon as you tell someone you're a Trek fan, they're going to instantly judge you as being a different kind of person than they thought you were before you told them.

 

[Rush Limborg]

Right, but the issue is that a lot of women set such high standards that no human being on planet Earth could ever possibly meet, then they complain that they can't find a man they want to be with.

Let me throw one last one on ya...





"I WANT YOU TO RESPECT ME FOR MY MIND!"





See how dumb that sounds, girls?

This is exactly why my aunt is on the track to being a total spinster She's past the mid thirties, never married, and her closest male companion is her dog. Because she wants more than anyone can even hope for.

If that's the attitude guys take about respecting women for their minds, honestly, I can't blame her one bit.

Well, to put our frustration into perspective...

My namesake often tells tales of his youth, when the Woman's Lib was in it's heyday. He'd often tried to compliment girls on their appearences--and they almost invariably shot back with, "WHAT ABOUT MY BRAIN, YOU PIG!!!"

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

My namesake often tells tales of his youth, when the Woman's Lib was in it's heyday. He'd often tried to compliment girls on their appearences--and they almost invariably shot back with, "WHAT ABOUT MY BRAIN, YOU PIG!!!"

A man would never say this. Rush should have just found himself a nice man.

 

[Ziz]

Ok, it's obvious at this point that teacake is a "recruiter" who isn't meeting his quota for the month.