Up the Long Ladder, Fair Haven, Spirit Folk...
Trek stereotypes
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Up the Long Ladder, Fair Haven, Spirit Folk...
And Kevin Riley, of course.
Riley and Finnegan, unlike the others you mentioned, are 23rd century flesh and blood people whose daily life is more contemporary than the Up the Long Ladder folks.
Riley and Finnegan, unlike the others you mentioned, are 23rd century flesh and blood people whose daily life is more contemporary than the Up the Long Ladder folks.
Not everything is a stereotype, though. Picard is arrogant. Pretty consistently. And a number of characters from Q to Beverly take him down a peg for his arrogance at various times throughout the series.
Is he? He likes pecan pie. And McCoy liked mint julips. Always came across as an intelligent well versed engineer to me. Not exactly Gomer Pyle in Space.
Stereotypes doesn't necessarily equal untrue.
Stereotypes are, by definition, generalizations about groups rather than individuals.
Kor
Remember the one from DS9 that was a part of one of O'Briens favorite fairy tales? Geez, writers, again? I heard Meany hated it.
As for someone with NA heritage the outdated garb and rituals aren't as big a deal for me as long as they aren't portrayed as savages. At least Checkotay wore his hair short and wore a uniform. He just came out of the holodeck just looking like coming from lighting a joint. Remember that episode from TNG where the NAs inhabited their own planet. I like to laugh at the idea of them having to move along AGAIN but it was the Cardassians. They could have teamed up with the Bejorans. But that line to Picard about what his ancestors did now THAT...
With AA you can do worse than Donna Summer.
Another topic: I think the ugly aliens were more to do with the fact that at the time of TOS (which absolutely garnered no hostility anywhere in the US - we need proof as the idea is prosperous back then)...there were people of color on the ship like Uhura and Sulu. So, they were standing next to white people as equals was driven home. Hence them being "uglier/weirder " looking. And yes, it's true aliens like the, Betazoids, Bajorans, Trill and the Vulcans, the Turkanans were always good. And even when SF and the Klingons formed an alliance, they were still conniving barbarians at times. And one of the first new aliens introduced in TNG were the Ferengi. And we know how they were portrayed. The Cardassians were basically acting like Imperialists to the Bajoarans. Most of the Changelings were bad too. The Borg had to be taught by the humans to be good and independent. The only unrepentant human looking aliens seemed to be the Romulans. So, as a society and more progressed they should have cut back on that in TNG. To play the devil's advocate, no one in ST that were human and more human looking cared about their looks. This is our viewpoint. I don't find many of those aliens particularly ugly but different, anyway, but I can still see what people are saying. Actually, as a 21st century human viewpoint that last part may not be realistic.
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Do you prefer the term "Native American" or "Indigenous American"?
Or is the term a wash?
What's a wash?
Never heard of Indigenous American but Native American is fine. I really don't even care about Indians even if the people in India are the real ones. It's just more funny than anything. Someone's else's mistake. So, I will say I prefer NA because I am used to it, I guess. And since I used it, I guess I don't mind? If you aren't being derogatory I am fine.
Merriam Webster definition for "It's a Wash"
Merriam Webster definition for "Indigenous"
The reason I bring it up is because "Native" as a term + <Locale> could have alot of different meanings based on context.
Where as Indigenous is a bit more specific & targets historical context.
I could technically be "Native" to two different countries based on context, but it's clear that I'm not "Indigenous" to either countries.
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Just thought of another one: Kirk's attitude towards medical care for himself.
It's one thing for Kirk to interrupt a regular checkup when he's needed on the bridge, or push through the pain when he can't afford not to; it's quite another to suggest he avoids sickbay like the plague (granted, I know people can really be workaholics and push themselves beyond what they ought - he did have to be reminded annoyingly, in his opinion, to eat something by Rand, who brought him a healthy salad as prescribed by McCoy, and Spock did have to trick Kirk into taking shore leave once by telling him about himself with the name left out, but surely that doesn't happen to the extent fanfic suggests it does)
TWOK gives Kirk Prime an eye medication allergy, necessitating glasses from McCoy instead. Alt Kirk has an anaphylactic reaction to Melvaran mud flea vaccine. I've read some fanfics where writers have expanded that to suggest that Kirk is allergic to lots of things.
It's one thing for Kirk to interrupt a regular checkup when he's needed on the bridge, or push through the pain when he can't afford not to; it's quite another to suggest he avoids sickbay like the plague (granted, I know people can really be workaholics and push themselves beyond what they ought - he did have to be reminded annoyingly, in his opinion, to eat something by Rand, who brought him a healthy salad as prescribed by McCoy, and Spock did have to trick Kirk into taking shore leave once by telling him about himself with the name left out, but surely that doesn't happen to the extent fanfic suggests it does)
TWOK gives Kirk Prime an eye medication allergy, necessitating glasses from McCoy instead. Alt Kirk has an anaphylactic reaction to Melvaran mud flea vaccine. I've read some fanfics where writers have expanded that to suggest that Kirk is allergic to lots of things.
Kirk is a serial monogamist, IMO. And he occasionally used his skills to seduce a woman as a part of a mission.
It varies. Logic isn't really genetic or cultural trait, much as people on ST may say it is.
On TOS, certainly not. The Romulans were the honorable ones. On TNG and DS9, the Klingons were more honorable, but often hypocritical as well.
No. And Spock wasn't as cold & unfeeling as McCoy always said. But it was a thing to tease him about.
In seasons 1 and 2, certainly. Less so over time.
"If Star Trek has a theme so far, it's that the Irish are idiots." - One of the hosts of the Mission Log podcast, when they were somewhere in the 1st season of TOS.
I know Colm was not fond of that DS9 episode of the Leprechaun. So yeah, was he a part of the cast yet? Don't think he came in until season 2/3. I bet he loves that one.Kirk is a serial monogamist, IMO. And he occasionally used his skills to seduce a woman as a part of a mission.
It varies. Logic isn't really genetic or cultural trait, much as people on ST may say it is.
On TOS, certainly not. The Romulans were the honorable ones. On TNG and DS9, the Klingons were more honorable, but often hypocritical as well.
No. And Spock wasn't as cold & unfeeling as McCoy always said. But it was a thing to tease him about.
In seasons 1 and 2, certainly. Less so over time.
"If Star Trek has a theme so far, it's that the Irish are idiots." - One of the hosts of the Mission Log podcast, when they were somewhere in the 1st season of TOS.
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He was a regular on DS9 since the beginning.
I meant TNG dude.
On TNG he was an extra and then reoccurring guest star, starting with the pilot, “Encounter at Farpoint.”
Lol, then he was forgettable. Because I watched those eps a million times over and I remember a different Irish gent with short brown hair and a beard, I guess I def would not notice him as an extra as I usually don't give them much thought. Thanks, though.
I think you're thinking of Chief Argyle, one of the many Chief Engineers TNG had in the first season.
BTW, it was Rumpelstiltskin, not a Leprechaun. It was originally a Leprechaun in the first draft of the script, but Colm Meaney refused to do it because it was an Irish stereotype. So they rewrote that subplot to placate him.
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