Trek Returning to TV in 2017!

[CorporalClegg]

Janeway?

 

[Nerys Myk]

For a show that was meant to be about a big mission to head toward the final frontier, all three Enterprise's did spend a lot of time visiting star bases and federation colonies, rendezvousing with other ships, and carting the politicians and top brass around.

Archer probably did it the least, funnily enough. At least in the first few seasons.

The five year mission thing was never mentioned in TOS proper, just in the opening monologue. It's mission was a mix of various assignments not exclusively exploration. Even it's encounters with Klingons were limited to handful.

IIRC, in TNG the ship was supposed to be out on the "frontier". Which is why it had families and all the comforts of home on board.

Janeway?

Not on an Enterprise.

 

[Trekkin]

Yep. Otherwise she'd win.

That's why she's sexy

 

[Rincewiend]

I really don't get the transwarp beaming either? We currently have more than one way to move people and goods around the globe. The airplane didn't replace the boat, car or train.

Transwarp beaming, making starships mostly unnecessary for the Trek universe, would be like something for us that disrupts every transportation and shipping industry on Earth (such as the invention of a rudimentary transporter with global reach).

The airplane didn't replace the boat, car or train because there are efficiencies of cost per mode, logistics of the quantity to ship, and large physical constraints for each mode. Airplanes require vast resources of property and support and so forth. Transwarp beaming, or transporters in general, appear to need no support on the receiving end, no special medium (water, air of adequate density, rails, roads), and can be directly targeted to any specific location appropriate to the person or package with no additional secondary modes of transport involved.

Simple: it does permanent damage to the user.

That was easy (all of that without single drop of rum).

Or it damages the hardware so you have to do an extensive and costly repair/overhaul everytime you use it so it's not that usefull except in very rare cases...

 

[eyeresist]

Pretty much the whole last season of Enterprise took place a stone's throw away from Earth. But at least it was consistent in that regard. It seemed intentional that way.

Actually no, they were in deep space a lot. The crew were seen on or near Earth in 8 out of 22 episodes. 3 of those 8 were also partly set in deep space.

 

[Mareika]

They should rather spend the money for the fanmade Star Trek Renegades

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/145553614/star-trek-renegades-episodes-2-and-3

than creating a new series for which the fans have to pay.

 

[Nightdiamond]

They didn't avoid it though. It was a conscious choice. Even the intellectual tastes people had were a unabashed argument in favor of education.

-- TNG wanted to show a society where people did the rational thing, and banished these industries - where people no longer felt the need and recognized they had a medical problem. A radical position even today.

I don't know what show people here were watching, but TNG remains radical, in my eyes, and I can't see what you are all seeing - we are looking for different things I think, and therefore seeing what we want to.

It's not so much about TNG being escapist, but what some fans pretty much noticed after watching TNG for a few seasons.

It's more about the background universe created around TNG. About what generally was allowed in it and what wasn't.

It's not the type of world where Beverly Crusher would simply say "I'm sorry Odan, I'm just not into women..." -- because Trek characters generally don't talk that way in the TNG universe (and she wouldn't be able to).

Or music like hip hop, rock, pop, trance, or some weird 24th century version of it is heard. It tended to be classical, jazz or at best, easy listening. Even skipping into Klingon opera

For entertainment--plays, shakespeare, recitals, instrumental concerts.

To some fans, it might have been so idealized it was hard to really relate to-- even if we love the benefits.

In Trek 09-- right off the bat, we hear music from the Beastie Boys. Kirk has a twosome with some alien women. They still have civilian cops and collect vehicles with wheels.

It's establishing the background rules for behavior, habits, etc etc, right from the start for what generally happens in this universe. It felt odd, but a little refreshing.

If you watch the pilot episodes of TNG, VOY or ENT you can dive right into, without needing to have ever seen any episode of previous Star Trek before.

To completely understand Star Trek into Darkness you need extensive knowledge of plot points from episodes and movies more than 30 years ago...

I understand this thinking. One gripe I had with STID was that a lot of stuff-- Section 31, Khan, The Klingons, were all mashed together and quickly.

And if you weren't that familiar with TOS or TWOK you wouldn't know what the hell they were talking about.

But then again, isn't all that bad. Sometimes I think we were cheated out of a good Dominion war movie because of that thinking.

I always heard that the reason we never saw one was because of the idea that the average casual trek fan was only interested in TNG or TOS, and could never understand anything about the Dominion war or DS9 characters.

So we got Insurrection, set in the same time, which hardly mentioned anything about the Dominion war. And the TNG fans didn't really support it anyway.

I think if you have a reasonable grasp of the series, you'll be able to follow the movies.

 

[Mudd]

They should rather spend the money for the fanmade Star Trek Renegades

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/145553614/star-trek-renegades-episodes-2-and-3

than creating a new series for which the fans have to pay.

It's not nearly of professional quality and no one buy a relatively small number of fans would watch it.

This is the entertainment business and that kind of stuff fails on both words.

If

 

[Trekkin]

If you watch the pilot episodes of TNG, VOY or ENT you can dive right into, without needing to have ever seen any episode of previous Star Trek before.

To completely understand Star Trek into Darkness you need extensive knowledge of plot points from episodes and movies more than 30 years ago...

I understand this thinking. One gripe I had with STID was that a lot of stuff-- Section 31, Khan, The Klingons, were all mashed together and quickly.

And if you weren't that familiar with TOS or TWOK you wouldn't know what the hell they were talking about.

But then again, isn't all that bad. Sometimes I think we were cheated out of a good Dominion war movie because of that thinking.

I don't buy that, because I saw STID with a bunch of newbies. They might not have got as much out of the movie as I did, but they understood it just fine. S31 are a shifty semi-legal black ops organisation, Khan is a genetically modified former dictator woken from cryosleep, and the Klingons are alien political enemies that are not yet at war with the Federation.

Newbies aren't total morons incapable of joining dots, and they really didn't need to know anything more to work everything out. No more than they needed to know who the Klingons were before TMP (which really does tell you nothing about them), what Starfleet was before they saw TVH, or who Khan was before TWOK.

Also, how many of us here actually got into Star Trek with a pilot or TMP? Sure there's probably some, but I'm willing to bet a vast majority just started with a random episode and picked up stuff as we went along. I started with 'Lifesigns' from VOY, and that actually did have some important backstory in prior eps. I was 10, and I still managed to get the gist.

 

[cooleddie74]

For a show that was meant to be about a big mission to head toward the final frontier, all three Enterprise's did spend a lot of time visiting star bases and federation colonies, rendezvousing with other ships, and carting the politicians and top brass around.

Archer probably did it the least, funnily enough. At least in the first few seasons.

True, but no starbases yet existed during the run of ENT, at least during the first 97 episodes (at least one or several may have existed by the time the Earth-Romulan War was over and the events depicted in "TATV" took place). There just weren't very many human facilities outside of nearby solar systems for Archer and his ship to visit. At that point in history there weren't human colonies or installations outside the range of your average cargo freighter.

 

[Mudd]

Millions of people saw and enjoyed STID without having seen previous Trek, so that puts the lie to the notion that prior knowledge of Star Trek mattered.

There are trekkies, after all, who will insist that knowing anything about the Franchise made the movie harder to watch.

 

[cooleddie74]

One of the selling points of ENT seemed to be that you didn't have to know the four or five previous Trek series nor see the movies to watch and enjoy it. As a Prequel it didn't hurt if you'd seen the other shows and movies, but since it was technically and from a chronological perspective the first chapter of the Star Trek story a deep knowledge of lore and history wasn't supposed to be that important.

One can have debates over whether that marketing strategy was even remotely successful or not given the heavy nods and references to those other series and films and the show's low ratings, but there you go.

 

[Jedman67]

One of the selling points of ENT seemed to be that you didn't have to know the four or five previous Trek series nor see the movies to watch and enjoy it. As a Prequel it didn't hurt if you'd seen the other shows and movies, but since it was technically and from a chronological perspective the first chapter of the Star Trek story a deep knowledge of lore and history wasn't supposed to be that important.

One can have debates over whether that marketing strategy was even remotely successful or not given the heavy nods and references to those other series and films and the show's low ratings, but there you go.

I'd suggest that the nods and winks would have been fine if the quality of the writing and acting was better. Season 1 was mediocre for me, S3 was overall between "watchable" and "ok".
*shrug*

 

[garoo1980]

One of the selling points of ENT seemed to be that you didn't have to know the four or five previous Trek series nor see the movies to watch and enjoy it. As a Prequel it didn't hurt if you'd seen the other shows and movies, but since it was technically and from a chronological perspective the first chapter of the Star Trek story a deep knowledge of lore and history wasn't supposed to be that important.

One can have debates over whether that marketing strategy was even remotely successful or not given the heavy nods and references to those other series and films and the show's low ratings, but there you go.

I'd suggest that the nods and winks would have been fine if the quality of the writing and acting was better. Season 1 was mediocre for me, S3 was overall between "watchable" and "ok".
*shrug*

Indeed. I wanted to like it, and I liked quite a few episodes. But definitely it wasn't the canon that hurt that show, it just looked tired. Maybe a year off after VOY and a whole new production team would have changed how things went. Maybe this new series will be what Enterprise wanted to be

 

[drt]

Indeed. I wanted to like it, and I liked quite a few episodes. But definitely it wasn't the canon that hurt that show, it just looked tired. Maybe a year off after VOY and a whole new production team would have changed how things went. Maybe this new series will be what Enterprise wanted to be

I concur, if Berman had canned most of the production staff for new faces/ideas, it probably would have invigorated Enterprise greatly, instead of coming off as just more of the same.

Similarly, I've often wondered what TWOK would have been like if Meyer had an open checkbook and hadn't been forced to use leftovers (sets, models, etc.) from TMP.

 

[Mudd]

They should rather spend the money for the fanmade Star Trek Renegades

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/145553614/star-trek-renegades-episodes-2-and-3

than creating a new series for which the fans have to pay.

If we're going to Kickstart quality entertainment, this project is more worthy than the big Trek fan films:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mst3k/bringbackmst3k/

 

[cooleddie74]

^
YES.

If loving that news is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

 

[Mudd]

They're around 3/4 of a million already.

 

[cooleddie74]

$5.5 million will fund a dozen full-length episodes. If they're already just shy of the first million on the very first day, then this looks like it's going to happen.

 

[Trekkin]

The old eps are starting to go up on Rifftrax. If they make a decent profit, it would certainly be a way to show there's audience interest (in addition to donating of course). Plus, it means non-US watchers no longer have to resort to shitty YouTube versions.

If the Kickstarter works, it's a good time to be a scifi fan.