Trek guest actors in maybe surprising roles

[ZapBrannigan]

I'm going to make your headache worse: Charlie was played by Robert Walker Junior, and he and his brother both look astonishingly like their father, Robert Walker Senior.

That reminds me of seeing Strangers on a Train and marveling at the resemblance.

Likewise, I once saw Alan Hale, Sr. in an old movie, and didn't know for sure if it was father or son (of Gilligan's Island).

I used to think Nina Wayne and Carol Wayne were the same person, from their separate guest shots on Bewitched.

And I always used to think it was Jerry Mathers (the Beaver) on that first-season episode of Bewitched. It was his brother Jimmy. Totally fooled me.

 

[J.T.B.]

Barbara Luna in Gunsmoke, "He Learned About Women," 1962.

 

[ItsGreen]

While they don't appear on screen together they do share ending credits right next to each other.
Byron Morrow/"Admiral Komack("Amok Time") & "Admiral Westervile" (For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky)
and Vince Howard/"Uhura's crewman"(Man Trap) in Mannix "Run Till Dark" 1971

 

[J.T.B.]

GLW and Jason Evers in Gunsmoke, "Reprisal," 1962. She's given a big entrance down the stairs of the Long Branch.





For some reason, in the showdown scene James Arness is on location while Evers in the reverse angle is on the soundstage, though Evers is also in a location shot with Arness.



Also, Joseph Ruskin in "The Gallows."

 

[Christopher]

For some reason, in the showdown scene James Arness is on location while Evers in the reverse angle is on the soundstage, though Evers is also in a location shot with Arness.

Maybe they ran out of time to film the reverse angle on location, or needed to reshoot it due to film or audio problems. Or maybe shooting the reverse angle on location would've given away a building or cityscape or something in the background (like how if you turned the camera around from the Metron planetoid in "Arena," you'd see the Cestus III outpost).

 

[ZapBrannigan]

For some reason, in the showdown scene James Arness is on location while Evers in the reverse angle is on the soundstage, though Evers is also in a location shot with Arness.

That reminds me of something. In Moonraker, James Bond fights a henchman called Chang. According to the commentary track, the fight was filmed on location in Italy, but for a certain section of it, the reverse angles were shot in the studio at Pinewood. It flips back and forth between Italy and Pinewood as they fight.

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[Neopeius]

The Galactic Journey through (current) Trek continues! The Fall season has started, so we're getting all kinds of Trek guests traipsing through other shows.

This week's episode of Mission: Impossible was particularly noteworthy. As you know, M:I and Trek are sister shows, and never has that been more apparent than the 67-09-17 episode:

First, we have Mark Lenard, as Jaime Cohenez, brown-facing it up to play a Latin colonel.

Then we have the Cestus III base with Vasquez Rocks peeping in the background.

Beyond that, the score by Gerald Fried sounds like two Trek scores put together (mostly "Amok Time", which he probably composed around the same time). It's distractingly Trekkish.

It makes me wonder why the fan Trek shows that use Trek library music, to the point where it gets a bit stale, don't raid other contemporary scores by Fried and Steiner to considerably expand the library at their disposal.

 

[Christopher]

This week's episode of Mission: Impossible was particularly noteworthy. As you know, M:I and Trek are sister shows, and never has that been more apparent than the 67-09-17 episode:

You left out one detail: the episode was actually titled "Trek."

It makes me wonder why the fan Trek shows that use Trek library music, to the point where it gets a bit stale, don't raid other contemporary scores by Fried and Steiner to considerably expand the library at their disposal.

I guess they're trying to be authentic. It was rare for shows to borrow cues from other shows entirely, though it did happen on occasion.

 

[Neopeius]

You left out one detail: the episode was actually titled "Trek."

Thanks, I missed the title.

I also miss Dan Briggs. I know I'm in the minority.

I guess they're trying to be authentic. It was rare for shows to borrow cues from other shows entirely, though it did happen on occasion.

Have you ever watched The Fugitive?

 

[Christopher]

Have you ever watched The Fugitive?

Not for a long time, but now that you mention it, I think Dominic Frontiere reused some of his Outer Limits cues there? As I said, it happened on occasion, but it wasn't common (at least not after the '50s, when a number of shows drew on stock music libraries), and Star Trek never did it.

Although there was some stock library usage in later decades. I remember being struck when Farscape used a cue I recognized from some other show, though I couldn't remember where. And there was a weird case where a Columbo episode (I'm pretty sure, though it may have been Quincy) used about four bars of a cue I knew well from The Incredible Hulk, just that one tiny snippet and nothing more.

 

[Neopeius]

Not for a long time, but now that you mention it, I think Dominic Frontiere reused some of his Outer Limits cues there? As I said, it happened on occasion, but it wasn't common (at least not after the '50s, when a number of shows drew on stock music libraries), and Star Trek never did it.

Correct. Fugitive was mostly reused cues.

It doesn't matter that Trek never did it. Modern folks could do it so we don't hear the same rehashings every time.

Although there was some stock library usage in later decades. I remember being struck when Farscape used a cue I recognized from some other show, though I couldn't remember where. And there was a weird case where a Columbo episode (I'm pretty sure, though it may have been Quincy) used about four bars of a cue I knew well from The Incredible Hulk, just that one tiny snippet and nothing more.

Other examples are Klaus Badelt repurposing his The Time Machine score for Atlantis, or Horner repurposing TWOK for Aliens. I recognize these are not quite re-using, but it's distractingly close.

 

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Goldsmith repurposing TWOK for Aliens.

James Horner.

 

[Neopeius]

James Horner.

Ah, thanks. Fixed!

 

[Christopher]

It doesn't matter that Trek never did it. Modern folks could do it so we don't hear the same rehashings every time.

It matters if, as I said, the makers of the fan films are choosing to be authentic in recreating how Star Trek did things. That was my whole point -- that fan film makers are often more interested in faithfully recreating the way TOS was done than innovating beyond it. Staying within the same limits as TOS may not matter to you or me, but I'm conjecturing that it could matter to them, and that could be the answer to your question of why they don't do it.

Other examples are Klaus Badelt repurposing his The Time Machine score for Atlantis, or Horner repurposing TWOK for Aliens. I recognize these are not quite re-using, but it's distractingly close.

Those don't count, because as you say, they aren't reusing the actual recordings from another production, just composing new music/performances using similar themes and motifs. So it's not stock music. In order for something to be stock music, it has to be a reuse of a pre-existing recording, not a new performance.

 

[ItsGreen]

So what Trek alumni is seen behind the camera?

 

[Neopeius]

So what Trek alumni is seen behind the camera?

Is that Deela(?) from "Wink of an Eye"?

 

[ItsGreen]

Neopeius that is correct! Perhaps not really all that hard to guess? Maybe if her hair style or color was different.
Kathie Browne/"Deela" in Mannix "The Man Outside" 1971 A professional photographer get involved taking photos of secret government documents for profit. He fate hangs in the balance.

 

[Neopeius]

Neopeius that is correct! Perhaps not really all that hard to guess? Maybe if her hair style or color was different.
Kathie Browne/"Deela" in Mannix "The Man Outside" 1971 A professional photographer get involved taking photos of secret government documents for profit. He fate hangs in the balance.

Kathie Browne is possibly the Trek alum I've seen the most in my journey through 60s TV, so it wasn't a hard guess. Thank you for the challenge!

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I also miss Dan Briggs. I know I'm in the minority.

But would the show have been as successful had Steven Hill stayed on in the lead role. If he hadn't been fired at the end of the first season for his outburst during the filming of the episode "Action!" and came back for the second, his screen time would have most likely been limited to the tape, dossier, and apartment scenes and possibly the finale, because of his contract which said he had to leave the set each Friday before sundown to attend prayers in accordance to his Orthodox religion and would not return to work until the following Monday. It's highly doubtful that Steven Hill would have been the one dangling from the helicopter like Peter Graves did; it might be Martin Landau in that role, but then who takes over Martin's role? Is it a series of "one shot" special guest stars? And is the studio/network willing to pay a leading man salary to someone's who's screen time is limited to 5-10 minutes? There's a cascade effect that has to be considered.

 

[FormerLurker]

So what Trek alumni is seen behind the camera?

Grammar nitpick: Alumni is plural. There's just her, so she's an alumna, or gender-neutral alum. Go back to your activities.