I'm almost 53 and not dead yet.
Surely an insult to people with ADD? Actually, I think the movie had plenty of substance. Or are you trying to compare a two-hour movie to 79 hours of TV and your nostalgia?
Trek after Nemesis?
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I'm almost 53 and not dead yet.
Surely an insult to people with ADD? Actually, I think the movie had plenty of substance. Or are you trying to compare a two-hour movie to 79 hours of TV and your nostalgia?
How is that a "problem?"
Funny thing that; I liked the movie and thought it had a great story that was complemented by the VFX, and I don't have ADD.
In the Typhon Pact novels, set 2382....DarKush said:
Picard is offered the role of Federation Ambassador, and is left considering it, and Spock becomes a legal resident of Romulus at the time he says he did in Countdown.
Although nothing's certain, and there are discrepancies, they may yet be squished into a vague continuity.
Although nothing's certain, and there are discrepancies, they may yet be squished into a vague continuity.
I liked it too, but honestly I can't see myself having much enthusiasm for the next one. For me it was a very one-off novelty.
well, I don't think he meant a literal diagnosis of ADD, he meant it in the pop culture short-hand for short attention span thing.
And great story? Really? I mean, I thought Star Trek XI was enjoyable enough action fluff, but what exactly was the "great story?"
poorly-motivated madman with big ship goes around blowing stuff up, Enterprise tries to stop him, throw in some incredibly goofy time-travel stuff, = great story?
We're talking about a movie where a cadet becomes captain in a few months, where Spock maroons another crewmember for mutiny, where Kirk happens to land near the one place on the planet where Old Spock is, etc.
It's a fun movie yes, but it's not exactly brilliant storytelling.
I'd have loved for them to have done this as a tv movie.
Back in 2003 or so, I thought there was a possibility that Star Trek XI could be a post-TNG movie featuring an all-new crew aboard an all-new Enterprise (most likely the Enterprise-F). Such a movie would probably feature a very young untested captain on his first mission and would be perhaps closer in tone to TOS (mainly in the sense of the kind of characters and perhaps even the return of miniskirt uniforms in Starfleet).
I think this idea makes sense too, but some on this board seem to think that "Star Trek" in the public mind now is Kirk, Spock, etc.
I think they're just looking at INS and NEM and forgetting how popular TNG was in its prime.
I'm not so sure about that.
Here's why:
Paramount actually paid nothing to produce TOS, it was part of their purchase of Desilu. It was in strip syndication for 30 years worldwide, the TOS merchandise licenses have existed much longer than TNG and the TOS films were more profitable for the studio.
It doesn't mean TNG hasn't made a shit-load of cash but TOS had a 20+ year headstart.
Agreed. I really enjoyed Countdown - it was a nice mini-sendoff for the TNG era, and did well to set up Nero's plot in the new film.
And I find it funny that I keep calling it the new film, even though it's over two years old now. And of course there's a new, new film coming out.
This is exactly what I meant. When you take it for what it is - a competently done action-packed, high-budget, fx-loaded joy-ride - it's actually quite good. What it is not, however, is a proper Trek movie.
There isn't really an underlying theme of human nature or social change or anything like that. They kind of play with the whole living up to one's destiny thing, but that's hardly a Trek-specific phenomenon.
When it comes down to it, Abrams took Trek in a completely different direction. It's far more mainstream than any other Trek has been before it. And that's fine, as long as you acknowledge it for what it is.
In fact it took a few steps backwards from other Trek movies:
Vulcans are out and out racists.
Spock is encouraged to embrace his emotions instead of seeking logic and emotional control.
Humans value controlling their emotions to the extent that if you are upset in anyway, you are considered emotionally compromised and must loose your command when someone won't give you any respect and will just needle you until you get mad and lose your anger.
Vulcans are out and out racists.
Spock is encouraged to embrace his emotions instead of seeking logic and emotional control.
Humans value controlling their emotions to the extent that if you are upset in anyway, you are considered emotionally compromised and must loose your command when someone won't give you any respect and will just needle you until you get mad and lose your anger.
Saw the boxed set today. It contains reprints of "Countdown", "Nero" and the movie adaptation, not "Spock Reflections".
Actually, Paramount had to pay out Roddenberry in the 70s so they could own the show in its entirety. At first they offered their share to him, but he couldn't afford it and the franchise was pretty dead at the time.
Ever seen "Amok Time" (TOS), "Yesteryear" (TAS) or some of the Vulcan-heavy episodes of ENT?
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Vulcans have been racist from the get-go.
I don't know if I would say racist, but very arrogant.
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