Transition and explanation of SNW into TOS technology

[HotRod]

canonical 289 meters

We've been down this road before....

Beyond a scale on a tiny viewer that was all but invisible when it aired, the size had never been truly canonically stated.

Even ignoring SNW putting the size right up front during an episode, we have far and away more evidence pointing to a larger ship. Hell, the cutaway posted by @Ray Hardgrit was seen in an episode and it certainly shows a significantly larger vessel.

 

[DSG2k]

We've been down this road before....

"Don't start none, won't be none."

 

[Dukhat]

Both the TOS/TMP Constitution class and the Excelsior class are far larger than the official sizes given for those ships.

 

[HotRod]

"Don't start none, won't be none."

 

[Ronald Held]

I could live with the SNprise being so damaged in the final episode, that they substituted it for a TOS Connie, without changing the registry number.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Just end with Pike's ship coming into dock wrecked after saving the day once again, lots of closure, then we see a ship leaving dock at the end with Kirk doing the narration this time... and it's the TOS ship. Don't need any more than that.

Maybe it's a refit, maybe they changed the name of another ship, maybe it's a visual reimagining, it doesn't matter, everyone can believe what they want.

 

[DSG2k]

Voyager is a sleek, modern scout, but the Constitution-class is a heavy cruiser. It should be the more massive vessel.

The Constitutions were heavy cruisers in their era. Voyager is a "troubleshooter", designed per Paris for "combat performance". She is not a scout ship.

That said, Enterprise 1701 did outmass Voyager 74656 by nearly 300,000 tonnes, presumably in part because of her massive nacelles, plus any weight-saving that might've been done for easier Intrepid Class landing capability.

 

[DSG2k]

Both the TOS/TMP Constitution class and the Excelsior class are far larger than the official sizes given for those ships.

Not canonically, but enjoy whatever you like.

 

[Tomalak]

This scale finally fixes the hierarchy. Voyager is a sleek, modern scout, but the Constitution-class is a heavy cruiser. It should be the more massive vessel. Seeing them side-by-side like this really highlights why the Constitution was always considered the gold standard of the fleet.

The main issue is that Voyager is so much more massive internally (about three times larger by volume), but has about a third of the Connie’s crew. I know everyone on Voyager has a generous suite to themselves, and the rest of the ship is full of holodecks and shuttlecraft, but the difference is still staggering.

A c.450m Constitution just works. So does a ~600m Excelsior for that matter.

 

[HotRod]

Not canonically, but enjoy whatever you like.

Show me where they canonically stated the length of an Excelsior.

Hell, show me where they canonically stated the size of a Constitution-class!

And I mean something besides that tiny scale graphic that can easily be ignored, considering the mountain of evidence pointing toward a larger ship, and the fact that it was virtually invisible when the episode originally aired.

 

[Dukhat]

Not canonically, but enjoy whatever you like.

Most ships in Star Trek do not have a canonical size.

 

[DSG2k]

Show me where they canonically stated the length of an Excelsior.

Actually, that is the perfect image, and I'm probably going to use that a lot from now on.

Don't forget the TNG Conference Room wall.

Hell, show me where they canonically stated the size of a Constitution-class!

And I mean something besides that tiny scale graphic that can easily be ignored

"Show me evidence! No, not that evidence!"

the mountain of evidence pointing toward a larger ship

There is no mountain, and there certainly ain't no mountain high enough.

 

[HotRod]

Actually, that is the perfect image, and I'm probably going to use that a lot from now on.

Don't forget the TNG Conference Room wall.



"Show me evidence! No, not that evidence!"



There is no mountain, and there certainly ain't no mountain high enough.

Funny, I don't see any sizes listed. What I do see are some starships arranged in a row and a diagram of a ship that was retconned out of existence in 1996.

 

[Dukhat]

So was the Bonaventure longer than a Galaxy class starship?

 

[HotRod]

We all know the LCARS on DS9 always showed the ships at their proper scale.


Hey, look at that! The Defiant is bigger than an Akira, Miranda, Norway and Saber. Who knew!?

 

[Dukhat]

Hey, look at that! The Defiant is bigger than an Akira, Miranda, Norway and Saber. Who knew!?

In some episodes, it was.

 

[DarthTimon]

We all know the LCARS on DS9 always showed the ships at their proper scale.

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Hey, look at that! The Defiant is bigger than an Akira, Miranda, Norway and Saber. Who knew!?

I rather like how they enlarged comm badges and deployed them as ships.

 

[Nerys Myk]

We all know the LCARS on DS9 always showed the ships at their proper scale.

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Hey, look at that! The Defiant is bigger than an Akira, Miranda, Norway and Saber. Who knew!?

I like that they're using the Combadge Class.

 

[Dukhat]

Badgey class.

 

[DSG2k]

Funny, I don't see any sizes listed.

Yes, you do.

So was the Bonaventure longer than a Galaxy class starship?

Sure, and as long as we are going to play dumb, the Galaxy class is very aptly named, given its apparent size.