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Ditto.
Google left out a comma.
Lenara and Worf met at a Memorial for Jadzia.
They banged one out.
Decided to do it again the following year at Jadzia's next memorial.
Then got married after the next annual memorial.
"Lenora Kahn Worf".
Perfectly reasonable.
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Interesting. While Picard is definitely the central character, the show feels more ensemble-y to me than any other Trek show, except for DS9... at least its first seasons.
TOS was pretty much Kirk and Spock, plus some McCoy. TNG was mostly Picard/ Riker/ Data.
Can't comment on ENT.
You could be on to something...is all Mikey Spock all the time (of course, I love Mikey Spock so I'm totally cool with this). Anyway, I think only the characters that are in close proximity to her will get the most character development. It doesn't look like Adira and Gray fall into that category so I don't believe they'll be developed all that much. Or at least I'll be shocked if they are, I think they'll be quaternary, or tertiary at best. They'll probably get their splash in the third or fourth episode, and then will get a handful of other moments throughout the rest of the season and that would be about it... that would be my guess.
Book, Cleveland Booker... his character is in close proximity to Micheal Burnham, so we'll more than likely learn a fair amount about him.
As for the "special" relationship of the non-binary char with Stamets/ Culber - he/ she looks quite young, so maybe they become father figures to her/ him.
And yes, if Trill, then probably Dax! Small universe...
The concept pictures in the first post do not have them in a uniform.
Not a fan of the ring between the nostrils.
Not a fan of the ring between the nostrils.
Maybe the character doesn't wear it.
If he's someone they meet in the future, then he certainly won't be a host whose name we've heard.
The trekmovie piece says he's "eager to fulfill his lifelong dream of being a Trill host, but he will have to adapt when his life takes an unexpected turn.” So, maybe he doesn't get joined.
The core will always be Burnham, Saru, Tilly, and Stamets. In that order. But I think the secondary characters will come in and out of focus depending on the needs of the story.If the characters fit the story, cool. If not, no problem ignoring them. I don't need to know the bridge crew. Haven't needed to since I watched TOS or TNG and nameless extras take stations then die.
If Discovery brings a trill symbiont forward, but the host is not so lucky...
Gray is stuffed with a Symbiont from the olden days who is not futuristically politically correct or aware of what is expected of a good Trill these days.
Fish out of water, in your belly.
Gray is stuffed with a Symbiont from the olden days who is not futuristically politically correct or aware of what is expected of a good Trill these days.
Fish out of water, in your belly.
Yeah, I guess that's true, you're right.
I guess Discovery though is really and truly about one person. It's her story, full stop. She has supporting characters but she doesn't really have a Kirk to her Spock, or a Picard to her Riker. It's unquestionably a non-tradional Star Trek show.
Not to get too far off topic, but one criticism or complaint I've always seen about Burnham is how "awesome" she is at everything. It's like, well... yeeeaaaah, she's Starfleet. She's supposed to be elite, right. She was a First Officer, she's supposed to be motherfu*king Top Gun. Riker was Top Gun, Spock was Top Gun, so Burham's Top Gun too.
Anyway, back on topic...
I never thought about it, but I wouldn't object if that turns out to be the case. It would be kind of cool.
Oh, and since Adira (and I'll eventually get that name right) is non-binary it's "they," not her/him or anything like that, it's "they" or "them."
I remember a few years ago I was reading some article written by someone who was non-binary and they kept saying "they" or "them" throughout the article and it was so confusing to me at first. Then it dawned on me, like, "Oh... they're talking about themself when they say 'they' or 'them.'" They're not talking about multiple people, just themself. And instead of saying "I" or "me" or something like that, they say "they" or "them."
It's different, that's for sure.
Donsidering what a great job they did with introducing the franchise's first gay characters, I’m pretty sure the writers are going to go out of their way, if need be, to make these new characters as fully rounded as possible.
I was especially encouraged after watching that Jessie Gender video.
I was especially encouraged after watching that Jessie Gender video.
You immediately started in on your usual shtick that you've been warned about numerous times, and derailed the thread by continuing to hammer your position down our throats to borrow your phrase. So you're getting a reply ban from this thread and a warning for trolling, because you have nothing productive and nothing we haven't heard from you a hundred times to add. Stop being a broken record.
To the rest of you, preemptively, please don't reply to his posts in this thread or take shots at him now that he can not reply. It wouldn't be fair to him and would defeat the purpose of the reply ban to prevent further thread derailing.
That’s the thing though. There could have been all sorts of lgtbqwtfbbq characters this whole time. But it wasn’t mentioned because no one cares about that in the future. What will be the point of telling us, the audience, and not mentioning it in the show? They’ll address it in some way. Imagine if someone had never seen this announcement. How would they know the characters are non-binary or whatever?
Barclay could have been transgender for all we know. Feel free to throw in any other character. There have always been non-binary and transgender characters in Star Trek.
It's not criticism of how the characters are written that draws such comments. It's things like saying "Lol" as the sole commentary on this news in your first post and making fun of the LGBTQ+ initialism, and stuff of that nature. So please don't do that.
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There is a difference between characters who appear in just 1 episode, recurring characters, and main characters. We only had the first category so far.Some people don't get it.
Berman seems to have been the censor in that case
Something quite a few people don't understand when they confuse headcanon, fanon, and canon
One Bolian on DS9 had a co-husband in Field of Fire. They changed it to a co-wife in the German version
Imaginary representation doesn't count nor does it count when cishet people play LGBTQ+ people.That’s the thing though. There could have been all sorts of lgtbqwtfbbq characters this whole time. But it wasn’t mentioned because no one cares about that in the future. What will be the point of telling us, the audience, and not mentioning it in the show? They’ll address it in some way. Imagine if someone had never seen this announcement. How would they know the characters are non-binary or whatever?
Barclay could have been transgender for all we know. Feel free to throw in any other character. There have always been non-binary and transgender characters in Star Trek.
Hopefully one day casting a trans actor to play a trans role is no longer noteworthy at all. Unfortunately it still is when it comes to casting in general, not just Star Trek.
Transsexual is an outdated term, it's transgender now. Also non-binary people do have a gender, it's not just not male or female. There are agender people who don't have a gender and there are genderfluid people where it shifts from one end of the spectrum to another.
It's just they/them instead of he/him or she/her. They still use I or me, they are singular human beings and not a group. Also they has been used as a singular pronoun since Shakespeare, it shouldn't be that confusing.
Did Milk and Brokeback Mountain not count?
They robbed gay actors a chance to perform the roles in ways that a straight actor couldn't have. It's worse when it comes to trans characters because they constantly hire men to play women and women to play men, this puts out the incorrect idea that trans people are just pretending and are really the gender they were assigned at birth. This gets a lot of trans women murdered.
Yeah, you're right about the "I" and "me."
Doing a quick look-around of the interwebs and the news seems to have gone over fairly well. A few rumblings here and there but nothing too crazy.
I'm not sure if any of the YouTube guys have chimed in yet... I kind of wonder if they'll even bother, because doing so would be such an obvious thing that you'd expect of them that they'll basically become a caricature of themselves (or I guess become even more of a caricature of themselves). Of course, the Ketwolski video may have stung a bit too so they may just be laying low for the moment.
Anyway, since Adira is on the promo art, and in a few of the interviews the focus seems to be more on that character, I suppose they may be featured more prominently on the show than Gray. Also, given the relationship with Stamets and Culber and actually being onboard Discovery...
We shall see.
I really don't care what the haters think. Hating stuff has replaced all aspects of their personalities at this point. The ghost of Gene Roddenberry could appear and help write the show and they would complain.
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