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Tpol-Archer

T'pol and...

  • Trip

    Votes: 48 65.8%
  • Archer

    Votes: 19 26.0%
  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 6 8.2%

  • Total voters
    73
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T'Pol/Archer.

I'm actually surprised that the producers didn't go this route.

When you look at good TV series (e.g. Moonlighting and Cheers), it's a ratings winner when there's constant and unresolved sexual tension between the lead male and female actors. Voyager hinted at this, but didn't go near far enough.

You know they like each other and you're tuning in to the show every week hoping they'll hook up, but there's always something that separates them.

Trek never had a long running sexual tension couple. I agree it's classic tv and would have won over viewers. I remember during the TNG years people often complained that the writers were just terrible at relationships. I have noted with a few friends that they are not attracted to Star Trek because it's not really a sexy show.. it lacks sexual tension and buzz. Kind of like on one level it never really got out of it's parent's basement. Now I love my Trek but it does seem odd that they just skipped the perrenial popular theme you describe above. I'd say ENT came the closest but they never developed it fully.

I voted Trip, because I believe my favorite character deserved a top-class squeeze...
But when it comes to T'pol, I would have, in fact, loved seeing her in a same-sex relationship (no, this is not just some boyish fantasy). It would have been controversial and therefore interesting. It would have given us a slightly different perspective on Vulcans.

That's interesting. I see T'Pol as as being attracted to men, not just sexually but as people she looks to for approval. She is hostile to women at varying times (Hoshi in the beginning, the MACO whom Trip liked). She consitently seeks out males and seems to have no even passing connection to any women on the ship.

If she did hook up with a woman I would propose that it would be a younger version of the one woman she professed to admire, V'Lar the Vulcan ambassador. Someone who is cutting edge or worthy of hero worship, someone who T'Pol desires to emulate. Someone who dazzles her.
 
I never really saw her with anyone but Trip from the first season. I felt they had an interesting kind of chemistry and could potentially learn from each other after some bumps in the road. Episodes like Broken Bow, Breaking the Ice, Oasis and Strange New World, really had me thinking that T'Pol and Trip were the way I'd have it go if I were to choose a romantic pairing. Archer and T'Pol felt forced to me when they did try to imply sexual tension on his part and any caring between them came across as friendship to me.
 
I voted other.

T'Pol/Archer: I can certainly see how people liked this 'ship, I thought the chemistry was fine but the main problem with this pairing was that it would've undermined the underlying theme of the show as I saw it (especially in the first 2 seasons). The show established the tensions between the Humans and Vulcans on the larger scale and then Archer and T'Pol were the microcosm of that relationship and their growing friendship and trust would then play out to the larger picture. Throwing "romantic" love into that equation would bring up doubt about whether either was really getting past their prejudices (and therefore whether general humans & vulcans could do the same) or whether they were just making an exception for each other because they fell in love.

Trip/T'Pol: Well I confess to 'shipping this at points. Again great chemistry (I thought Trip pretty much had great chemistry with everyone) and without the above mentioned Vulcan/Human interference. And I can see how the attraction would be there too. T'Pol is shown to be underneath it all rather interested in the more emotional side of life, even if she won't admit it to herself, and there isn't anyone on the ship more emotional than Trip. Unfortunately I didn't enjoy how they handled the relationship at all in season 4.

So who did I vote for:

T'Pol/Reed: I think it would be interesting in that it's probably the only Human/Vulcan pairing that would most resemble a Vulcan/Vulcan pairing, which since they only had one Vulcan on board full time they were never likely to do (and I don't count Koss because she wasn't interested in him at all). Plus, he's clearly attracted to her and I think she'd like the fact that he's not a real "show your emotions" kind of guy.
 
I never even entertained the idea of T'Pol/Archer because Trek ship's captains have always been set up as being "lonely at the top." Special relationships would cloud judgment and create conflicts of interest when a dangerous assignment had to be handed out, etc.

And if T'Pol is supposed to be interested in exploring emotions, taking up with someone wound as tight as Archer, not to mention all of his so-called "Vulcan issues," would not seem to be the way to go.

Trip's "heart on his sleeve" emotionalism would, IMO, to be more likely to pique her interest.
 
T'Pol/Archer: I can certainly see how people liked this 'ship, I thought the chemistry was fine but the main problem with this pairing was that it would've undermined the underlying theme of the show as I saw it (especially in the first 2 seasons). The show established the tensions between the Humans and Vulcans on the larger scale and then Archer and T'Pol were the microcosm of that relationship and their growing friendship and trust would then play out to the larger picture. Throwing "romantic" love into that equation would bring up doubt about whether either was really getting past their prejudices (and therefore whether general humans & vulcans could do the same) or whether they were just making an exception for each other because they fell in love.
Well said, LC. This makes a lot of sense to me. I know I really appreciated the trust and friendship that developed between Archer and T'Pol as the series progressed, and how they both learned from each other to set aside their preconceptions.

Given the parameters of the show, I don't think Archer would ever have pursued a romantic relationship with T'Pol, because his ethics would have prevented it, based on what he said in "Home." That being said, if the parameters were different--as they were in "Twilight," for example--one could imagine a different but credible scenario. "Twilight" was more of a tragic love story, but it demonstrated that there are always possibilities. (Didn't Spock say that?...)

Anyway, from what I saw on the show, Archer and T'Pol grew to care very much about each other. A deep bond of friendship can be just as profound and meaningful as any romantic relationship.

As for T'Pol and Trip, I thought they came together credibly, over a long period of time. All the ingredients were there...the oil-and-vinegar opposites thing, T'Pol's unique status as a Vulcan who can put up with humans, her unusual emotional makeup and curiosity about emotions ("Fusion"), her little acts of rebellion against Vulcan tradition ("Breaking the Ice"), and her compassion for someone in pain and need ("The Xindi"). Then there were clues to Trip's attraction for her ("You'd look good in Triaxian silk," "I never had fun arguing with anybody before"), and the gradual respect, trust, and friendship that develops between them, culminating in the revelation by Sim that he/Trip loves her.

Sure, they drive each other crazy all the way up to "Home," when their feelings are finally made clear. But that is part of what made it realistic for me...their constant miscommunication. T'Pol seemed pretty flummoxed by the whole idea of a relationship, thus all the missteps and mistakes, which was believable to me (even though I wanted to shake some sense into 'em sometimes). I did think the "Home" derailment, and what followed, was contrived...probably a casualty of TPTB realizing that Season 4 was likely the last. If the staff had known they had 3 more seasons, I suspect the storyline might have developed differently. But I think the Trip/T'Pol storyline got back on track, on an emotional level, by "Terra Prime."
 
Given the parameters of the show, I don't think Archer would ever have pursued a romantic relationship with T'Pol, because his ethics would have prevented it, based on what he said in "Home." That being said, if the parameters were different--as they were in "Twilight," for example--one could imagine a different but credible scenario. "Twilight" was more of a tragic love story, but it demonstrated that there are always possibilities. (Didn't Spock say that?...)

I disagree. TOS showed that Kirk was a lonely man and claimed he "couldn't" fall in love. He shunned Janice Rand when he clearly was interested/attracted to her. To me, it would've made sense if Archer had in fact fell in love with one of his crewmen and run into trouble. Then again, I think it would've been interesting if he'd verbally discussed it or we'd seen him wrestling with it.

More over, the theme of the show did depict Vulcans and humans not getting along. What better way to help them get along than realize there's more than (to quote ANIS) just sexual attraction between them?

And I think Twilight worked *because* of the great chemistry between Archer and T'Pol and the care they show each other. Care, to me, is the greatest lead to love. Much more interesting than rubbing or skimpy clothing mostly because it leads to good stories and reinforces great characters.
 
After 911, I didn't feel much like watching TV. I caught part of Sleeping Dogs & Mauraders during the first couple of seasons, and thought I wasn't going to be interested in ENT, given my usual disinterest in Klingons. I admit I didn't give it much of a chance, and in retrospect I would have liked it if I had watched it from the start.

Then I saw a rerun of The Expanse and instantly loved the chemistry between T'Pol & Tucker. I have to admit it was their relationship that got me interested in watching ENT during season 3. During the season, I found out that they were a new pairing, and was disappointed that they didn't have more of a buildup towards a romantic relationship beyond The Expanse...although I could read interesting moments in Season 1, I can't say that TPTB had definitive ideas of pairing T'Pol with any crew member.

When the first couple of seasons finally came out on DVD, I really didn't see T'Pol with anybody in particular. I though her character had excellent chemistry with Archer in Twilight. I thought ANIS was funny...and now that I have written this I realize that although sometimes I like pairings of characters in Trek, I don't watch Trek for romance, and I accept whatever outcomes are presented...i.e., I liked Troi/Riker...I liked Troi/Worf better...I liked that Troi /Riker finally got hitched.
 
I voted Trip.

Because they were going with a TOS, Big 3, type format, and because they seemed determined to get T'Pol in a romance with a fellow crewman, Trip was the least difficult pairing to write. Besides that, we know that Archer and T'Pol were going to be heavily involved in the A stories of each episode. If they wanted to have a T'Pol romance as the B or C story then that would mean the same characters would have taken up just that much more screen time. The problem would have been under utilization of one of -- maybe the best -- actor in the cast.

So, you write the romance you (the writers) want around the second male lead and female lead. That way you're making good use of one of your strongest actors AND placing him in an interesting storyline. It also didn't hurt that "Trip" was the seeming polar opposite of "T'Pol", making for lively personal interaction between the two. Read: "chemistry".

Another reason Archer and T'Pol as a romance was problematic was because of the similarities between the characters. Both were emotionally repressed thus making 'getting something going' between the two more difficult to write, if you're going to keep both in-character.

Although I think the writers could have written a plausible romance between ANY of the characters, I think T/T made more sense on multiple levels.
 
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Hi all. I've only recently caught up with Enterprise although I could have done so initially when it came online back then but I wasn't that keen on the thought of watching a prelude to TOS whch I grew up with. I did manage to view a few eps then, thanks to a friend, but I wasn't overly impressed. Last Christmas, I decided to give it another shot and bought the 1st season. I ended up buyng the rest.

In any case, I voted Trip/T'Pol. A Archer/T'Pol might have worked but there are alot of problems with that tie, most of which have been mentioned by posts above.

I like the way Trip started off tentatively but solidly with T'Pol in the ep Breaking the Ice but I've to say I'm dismayed by the way the relationship developed in S3. I don't much care for the method used (Phlox's suggestion was illogical :lol: Did he even explore other remedies??). Something that could be as intricate and powerful as the Sarek/Amanda bonding was marred by this cheap and the laziest road the writers' chose to take. It just reduced the impact of the first relationship between a Vulcan and a human. Nevertheless, it is a good tie.
 
I've always liked Trip and T'Pol. Although I think the development of a deep friendship between Archer and T'Pol would have been very interesting and enjoyable to watch--and we did see this to some extent--, I never saw something between these two to indicate an eventual romantic relationship. IMHO, Tucker and T'Pol had an interesting chemistry and interaction since the beginning, and it did look like it would lead to a romantic pairing. Their differences, the way they seemed to learn from each other, their conversations... A whole bunch of little things made me root for the TnT couple.
 
Well, writing the Archer storyline would have been more difficult but....ultimately more satisfying, I think.

Think about the resolution it could have given to Archer's frustration with Vulcans. He starts to understand IDIC more and even how it can apply to single races like the Vulcans and so on.

It provides more of an arc than Trip and her.

I'm babbling.
 
Trip & T'Pol.

I would have rather taken my eyes out with a spoon then to have been forced to watch an Archer / T'Pol relationship! IMO Archer and T'Pol were not an on screen match, he was old enoght (in human years) to be her father, it would have seemed forced and predictable. It was also very clear to me that a MAJORITY of the fans wanted to see a Trip and T'Pol relationship. Trinneer and Blalock had a phenomenal on screen chemistry with each other that was evident from "Broken Bow", so it was only natural that B&B created their romance; it was a "no brainer". Too bad it was so poorly written.
 
Trip & T'Pol.

I would have rather taken my eyes out with a spoon then to have been forced to watch an Archer / T'Pol relationship! IMO Archer and T'Pol were not an on screen match, he was old enoght (in human years) to be her father, it would have seemed forced and predictable. .

What?!

T'Pol is much older than Archer, she is the oldest person on the ship.
 
T'Pol is much older than Archer, she is the oldest person on the ship.
True, but Middleman said "in human years," so I assume he meant that Bakula was old enough to be Blalock's father (which is true, and if you don't mind me saying, fairly noticeable).
 
T'Pol is much older than Archer, she is the oldest person on the ship.
True, but Middleman said "in human years," so I assume he meant that Bakula was old enough to be Blalock's father (which is true, and if you don't mind me saying, fairly noticeable).

I'm not sure how relevant that is. Sarek married Amanda and I'm sure she turned into his grandmother before his eyes and then died. It's just a factor of inter species relationships.
 
What?!

T'Pol is much older than Archer, she is the oldest person on the ship.
As usual, I didn't make myself clear. The point I was trying to make is that T'Pol was the equivalent of a thirty year old. Archer was in his mid to late forties. Just from a visual perspective it would have looked like one of those "old guys going after a young chick" kind of things. Visually, Tucker was a better match IMO.
 
Who the rat's blue bloody ass cares about the 'visual' thing?

Is that really supposed to be a concern?
 
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