It does kind of bother me when they change the race of an established character, but then it bothers me when they change the HAIR COLOR of an established character.
TOS try again....
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You should see how many people complained about James Bond having blue eyes and slightly lighter hair (Daniel Craig).
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Evans's mother is Italian. Where's the outrage?
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The android was already a 20 something male.
You still haven't shown, in the slightest, how switching a fictional characters ethnicity somehow harms the ethnicity of a group. It seems to bother you a great deal though. It is your option to skip films that offend you. But, being that film is a visual medium, it is better to use the entire color palette at your disposal instead of having everyone be lily white.
Your argument is that, they have theirs and we have ours and there should never be any crossover.
It's time to quit living in the 1960's.
What a remarkably offensive turn of phrase.
I'm guessing you're not an expert on what "minorities want."
Dennis? You've no idea.
- I'd want Kodos to be set up earlier, and the events of 'The Conciemce of a King' to have a longer lasting impact on Kirk.
- Actually, 'more set ups' and 'longer lasting impacts' would just be nice in general. No 'crew members of the week' or waiting until a sequel movie for some bad decisions to bit the characters in the ass.
-Spock never wipes his friends memories, and if he does then see 'ass-biting' above.
-I never really understood why Kirk spent so much time within travelling distance of Federation stations and planets. I would have thought that a '5 year mission exploring the final frontier' would mean long gaps where they couldn't contact anyone or get dragged back to be a glorified limousine. I guess I'd want the crew to be more isolated and self-sufficient?
I do love TOS as it is. I feel the need to establish that, in case that little list seems too nitpicky.
- Actually, 'more set ups' and 'longer lasting impacts' would just be nice in general. No 'crew members of the week' or waiting until a sequel movie for some bad decisions to bit the characters in the ass.
-Spock never wipes his friends memories, and if he does then see 'ass-biting' above.
-I never really understood why Kirk spent so much time within travelling distance of Federation stations and planets. I would have thought that a '5 year mission exploring the final frontier' would mean long gaps where they couldn't contact anyone or get dragged back to be a glorified limousine. I guess I'd want the crew to be more isolated and self-sufficient?
I do love TOS as it is. I feel the need to establish that, in case that little list seems too nitpicky.
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Rubbish, Pubert.
Casting a film diversely isn't automatically pandering or tokenism, nor does it have negative impacts on the minorities featured so long as the characters are not portrayed in a negative fashion. It's funny how some people can twist logic around so that inclusion somehow becomes an act of disrespect. I like contortion acts, but, frankly, yours isn't very good.
Casting a film diversely isn't automatically pandering or tokenism, nor does it have negative impacts on the minorities featured so long as the characters are not portrayed in a negative fashion. It's funny how some people can twist logic around so that inclusion somehow becomes an act of disrespect. I like contortion acts, but, frankly, yours isn't very good.
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And they gave her blonde hair and blue eyes, transforming her into an Anglo. Just imagine if they'd cast a black actress and made her up white!
None of us who aren't minorites ARE, I would say. Maybe white people who choose to be offended on behalf of minorities should keep quiet also.
Two incidents: Speedy Gonzales, and the Taco Bell chihuahua. White liberals decided both were insulting to Latinos, and demanded they be excised from the airwaves. No Latino had ever complained, and many were upset at their disappearance.
I agree with this message.
I also don't agree with changing things just because they can. I would much rather see a whole new character with the attributes that seem to be in demand rather than graft them onto a pre existing character. It was funny when Olvier Wendell Jones turned Steve Dallas black but I don't think it's good for other things, Star Trek included.
That's one thing I always like about the Klingons, you could cast any actor to be a Klingon you don't need them to be a certain skin tone, they get made up anyway. I'd imaging the same could be said for Andorians and Tellerites. I just don't like discrimination, and Star Trek seems to be a really good forum to have all kinds of actors. I don't see a reason to make them fit when there is plenty of room to fit naturally.
And about who is not represented, if any new Star Trek wants to be demographically more consistent, at least half of the people should be Chinese and Indian and I hardly see any people fitting that discription, nor anyone really caring about their lack of inclusion. It's all about the black and gay characters, why is that? Because it's all artificial? Over half of the people would naturally be women, and women seem to do well in space and in piloting jobs there probably should be 75% women in the cast. Why not?
So out of say a 9 person cast, 7 women, 2 men, how about 3 Chinese, 2 Indian, 1 black and 1 white, 1 Australian Indiginous and I South Americian Indiginous. At least for the Humans. I'd rather not an all Human cast.
Dennis? You've no idea.
LOL! Yeah if I knew he only liked NuTrek I wouldn't have engaged him on the NuTrek boards.
Ha ha. They could put in more effort to have less Caucasian and Jewish people for sure. I'm always banging on about how the 66% male cast should be reduced but NuTrek went the other way and reduced the number of women even further...
Of course one mustn't forget that, since there is no particular reason why Johnny Storm has to be white, it would be wrong to restrict auditions to white actors. If the best candidate isn't white then more power to them. I will confess to a double standard though. Since characters of other ethnicities are rarer, I would expect them to put in more effort to cast someone appropriate.
I get more concerned when a character whose ethnicity is a part of their character, Like Khan, Uhura, or Sulu but even there, the actors are only approximations - I think Montalban was Hispanic not Indian, Saldana is mixed race rather than African (and which part of Africa was Uhura from anyway - it's a big continent), and Cho is Korean not Japanese.
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