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TOS sets project
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Thank you to those who recognized my work was being used and modified without credit being given (or permission being asked, for that matter).
And yes, Treknician1701, I would make sure you ask permission to use artists' work in the future. I was a little alarmed that someone had used my images without my permission, and I may perhaps put safeguards in place to prevent that from happening in the future.
And yes, Treknician1701, I would make sure you ask permission to use artists' work in the future. I was a little alarmed that someone had used my images without my permission, and I may perhaps put safeguards in place to prevent that from happening in the future.
treknician1701
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Actually, if you wish to keep your work from being used or copied in any manner, don't put it up on the internet! I had no way of knowing who you were, or how to contact you, since there was no site address on the bottom of the photos, as I have seen on other work.
But some artists don't even want their work to be copied, at all! I took a photo of a matt painting that we were filming for an episode of STTNG, wherein "Wesley goes to Starfleet" to take his exam! The painting was done by Dan Curry, and was used in an older episode of "Buck Rogers", and Dan just added a little Starfleet insignia on a building, and now it was "Star Trek". I thought that the painting was really great, so I took a photo of it, had it printed up to 23 X 40, matted, and framed and hung in my living room! I got a call from Dan Curry, yelling at me as to WHY would I think of doing such a thing?
I told him that I thought the painting was fantastic, and I wanted a crappy photo copy of it hanging in my apartment! He was so furious, yelling and screaming at me, as if I had stolen his wife, or something like that. I could not understand where he was coming from. People take photos of artwork in museums all the time. The "Mona Lisa" is the most photographed of all, and I would think that the artists would feel that is the biggest compliment.
But not Dan Curry!
Still, Donny, I am MOST sorry for "stealing" your work and modifying it, and it will NOT happen again, to be sure.
Sincerely, Greg Stone
But some artists don't even want their work to be copied, at all! I took a photo of a matt painting that we were filming for an episode of STTNG, wherein "Wesley goes to Starfleet" to take his exam! The painting was done by Dan Curry, and was used in an older episode of "Buck Rogers", and Dan just added a little Starfleet insignia on a building, and now it was "Star Trek". I thought that the painting was really great, so I took a photo of it, had it printed up to 23 X 40, matted, and framed and hung in my living room! I got a call from Dan Curry, yelling at me as to WHY would I think of doing such a thing?
I told him that I thought the painting was fantastic, and I wanted a crappy photo copy of it hanging in my apartment! He was so furious, yelling and screaming at me, as if I had stolen his wife, or something like that. I could not understand where he was coming from. People take photos of artwork in museums all the time. The "Mona Lisa" is the most photographed of all, and I would think that the artists would feel that is the biggest compliment.
But not Dan Curry!
Still, Donny, I am MOST sorry for "stealing" your work and modifying it, and it will NOT happen again, to be sure.
Sincerely, Greg Stone
There's seemingly so much naivete swinging in your post(s) that makes others wonder, huh? Me, for sure!
Are you really thinking you are "singled out"? You can't possibly think, that's true. Really!
And we all don't know, how Da Vinci would have reacted, had he still been alive... other than taking it as a compliment, of course...
So, this is not the first time you've encountered artists who feel attacked by not having their work attributed by name? I would have thought that after the first time it happened, you'd have developed some sense of common courtesy to make sure it never happened again.
As an artist who has had my work stolen and passed off as someone else's, I am especially sensitive to this situation.
Maybe you need to take extra steps from now on to ensure that you don't leave any room for doubt where your inspirations come from.
The "don't put it on the internet" argument will win you no friends.
treknician1701
Lieutenant Commander
That is NOT correct. Anyone who came to my apt, and saw the painting, I straight out told them that it was a "Dan Curry" painting, and told them how this photo came about. This is exactly why it got back to Mr. Curry, and allowed him to call my home! I have ALWAYS given credit on things like that.
Actually, I have had a lot of my work copied also, copies of the props that I have created for different productions, but it really hits home when someone takes credit for the work that I have done, or something along that nature. I have had people that I thought were good friends take credit for items that I have made, or work that I have done! And it's such an unbelievable avalanche of actual thief against me, that it is almost undefendable! But I keep trying.
By NOT putting anything where it can be scanned for or searched on Google or other situtions, if you want to keep it from being copied by others, or credit given to others for YOUR work, is the only way to go about protecting your art! By only placing it on ONE site, and not allowing anyone to right click and "save as" so you can protect your work, as much as possible.
There are a lot of people with art all over the internet that you cannot download, and if you are so worried about getting your art stolen, that is what you should do, or just NOT put it up anywhere. Share it with friends when they come over, and otherwise keep it to yourself.
BTW, I have very few friends here. Too many of the "Prop Cartel" are hanging about, running me down every chance they get.
FACT!
Greg
Actually, I have had a lot of my work copied also, copies of the props that I have created for different productions, but it really hits home when someone takes credit for the work that I have done, or something along that nature. I have had people that I thought were good friends take credit for items that I have made, or work that I have done! And it's such an unbelievable avalanche of actual thief against me, that it is almost undefendable! But I keep trying.
By NOT putting anything where it can be scanned for or searched on Google or other situtions, if you want to keep it from being copied by others, or credit given to others for YOUR work, is the only way to go about protecting your art! By only placing it on ONE site, and not allowing anyone to right click and "save as" so you can protect your work, as much as possible.
There are a lot of people with art all over the internet that you cannot download, and if you are so worried about getting your art stolen, that is what you should do, or just NOT put it up anywhere. Share it with friends when they come over, and otherwise keep it to yourself.
BTW, I have very few friends here. Too many of the "Prop Cartel" are hanging about, running me down every chance they get.
FACT!
Greg
Yup. This bit in particular:
Just because Donny didn't design the TOS sets it doesn't mean all his hard work in recreating them digitally should be ignored.
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treknician1701
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However, consider what the ORIGINAL artists who designed the original artwork and the people who actually built the sets are thinking, seeing their designs recreated in a CGI environment, with NO credit given to them whatsoever!
It is a double edged sword!
AND, according to that "regulation", their names should appear in the body of each picture, if it be a photo of the set, or even a CGI recreation!
Greg
It is a double edged sword!
AND, according to that "regulation", their names should appear in the body of each picture, if it be a photo of the set, or even a CGI recreation!
Greg
I don't know all the facts, and I'm certainly not one to pass judgment, but here are a couple of things:
1. This is not an attack.
2. From what you've posted here in several threads, it looks to me like you have a problem with boundaries. In other words, using/taking/visiting other people's stuff without permission beforehand. They say "It's easier to get forgiveness than permission," but simply asking for permission would have saved a lot of trouble.
3. When called out on these things, you seem to get defensive and take the "poor little ol' me" position. That's fine, if that's what works for you. But you wouldn't have to be defensive if you'd just asked permission first.
4. I personally don't care about past transgressions, if you're moving past them and doing things differently now.
5. I still want to hear about your experiences working on TNG. I assume many others here do as well.
So that's my take. No offense meant, and that's all I intend to say on the subject.
1. This is not an attack.
2. From what you've posted here in several threads, it looks to me like you have a problem with boundaries. In other words, using/taking/visiting other people's stuff without permission beforehand. They say "It's easier to get forgiveness than permission," but simply asking for permission would have saved a lot of trouble.
3. When called out on these things, you seem to get defensive and take the "poor little ol' me" position. That's fine, if that's what works for you. But you wouldn't have to be defensive if you'd just asked permission first.
4. I personally don't care about past transgressions, if you're moving past them and doing things differently now.
5. I still want to hear about your experiences working on TNG. I assume many others here do as well.
So that's my take. No offense meant, and that's all I intend to say on the subject.
That's funny, I seem to remember crediting artists for their work being common net etiquette, but apparently its a dumb imaginary rule the TrekBBS Hivemind came up with just to frustrate one guy.
Seems legit.
Seems legit.
treknician1701
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I've admitted that I used this person's photos WITHOUT his knowledge or permission, but the FACT that there was no way that I could have known WHO to contact to get permission seems to escape you all. And I really love the way that you all say "This is not an attack" and then just slam me to the wall, on many various venues, and you are all saying the same thing.
I did not take the "poor little ol' me" position ever, not ONCE, and if you are assuming that, then that is your position error, not mine!
So, I'm just supposed to be some fodder on this board for everyone to flame, slam and harass?
Nice, people, real nice.
I did not take the "poor little ol' me" position ever, not ONCE, and if you are assuming that, then that is your position error, not mine!
So, I'm just supposed to be some fodder on this board for everyone to flame, slam and harass?
Nice, people, real nice.
Maybe I'm missing something, cause I'm not seeing anything more than people saying variations of credit the original artist.
Edit, to add: As for finding the artist: Open a thread in the Fan Art forum. Link to your source material, ask if anyone knows who created it and how you can get in touch with them to ask if you can use their material.
Edit, to add: As for finding the artist: Open a thread in the Fan Art forum. Link to your source material, ask if anyone knows who created it and how you can get in touch with them to ask if you can use their material.
PMing the poster who put the art up was too difficult?
Who flamed you?
Cool, I'm gonna use this reasoning to get a new car tomorrow. Saw a nice one parked down the street.
Well, this went to hell in a handcart.
treknician1701, for future posts, please refer to the FAQ regarding the rules. I don't see where you were attacked, flamed or harassed in this thread - it's just been a matter of reminding you of both the rules and of common courtesy when using someone else's creativity - obviously, we all do, in a way, as long as we're creating fan art for Star Trek. And it's really not much to ask of someone, but it does get frustrating when the response often includes, "Well, I'm not the only one who does it," which may be true, but it's still not an excuse. As for taking photos in museums, many of them do actually insist you don't take photos of the works on display (and anyone who takes a photo of the Mona Lisa, the most reproduced image in the world, is just foolish).
Feel free to post anything you like, as long as it follows the rules and, if it contains someone else's work, that proper credit is given. If you can't find the owner, usually that's a good guide to not posting the work at all.
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treknician1701, for future posts, please refer to the FAQ regarding the rules. I don't see where you were attacked, flamed or harassed in this thread - it's just been a matter of reminding you of both the rules and of common courtesy when using someone else's creativity - obviously, we all do, in a way, as long as we're creating fan art for Star Trek. And it's really not much to ask of someone, but it does get frustrating when the response often includes, "Well, I'm not the only one who does it," which may be true, but it's still not an excuse. As for taking photos in museums, many of them do actually insist you don't take photos of the works on display (and anyone who takes a photo of the Mona Lisa, the most reproduced image in the world, is just foolish).
Feel free to post anything you like, as long as it follows the rules and, if it contains someone else's work, that proper credit is given. If you can't find the owner, usually that's a good guide to not posting the work at all.
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