You've got it wrong. Using the particles will double someones lifespan with the S'ona method.
TOS- Overrated?
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You've got it wrong. Using the particles will double someones lifespan with the S'ona method.
I understand your point perfectly well, some power in the quadrant will want to get its hands on these lovely radiation so we should try to do it first.
You might want to sharpen up on your understanding of English because I said nothing about the S'ona taking over. If they struck one partnership to snag the particles and it fell through, logic says they may try to get a different partner to help them.
I cannot but repeat for the umptenth time that this is not how the Federation works, that it is not an empire and that forcing other people to do something against their will is evil. I am sure that where you live rape, murder and theft are also illegal.
The Federation expands like the European Union, it is a soft power which attracts new members not via gunpoint, via its vices but via its virtues.
That's why the only option for the Federation is to work together with the Ba'ku ... as Picard actually does and as the Federation council, once it is properly informed about the issue, deems right.
I understand your point perfectly well, some power in the quadrant will want to get its hands on these lovely radiation so we should try to do it first.
You might want to sharpen up on your understanding of English because I said nothing about the S'ona taking over. If they struck one partnership to snag the particles and it fell through, logic says they may try to get a different partner to help them.
I cannot but repeat for the umptenth time that this is not how the Federation works, that it is not an empire and that forcing other people to do something against their will is evil.
I am sure that where you live rape, murder and theft are also illegal.
So is eminent domain and forcing people from their homes if the property is deemed unsafe.
oh, that's right. oops. I thought you didn't like this movie either, how do you always know all the details of it so well?
Doesn't really matter, they fall within the borders of the Federation. A family farm that was built before the formation of the U.S. is still under U.S. jurisdiction once the surrounding territory was claimed by the U.S.
This process of claiming territory is not how the Federation expands. The UFP has more in common with the UN than the American Empire.
Wouldn't hurt you to get a broader horizon. Unlike you I am perfectly aware that the country I am living in is in no way the benchmark for the Federation. If it were Trek would be contemporary or historical but not science fiction.
Their refusal to take the metaphasic medicine would be, to put it bluntly, stupid. If the medicine has the power to make you immortal, then why not use it? Is living a simple life more important than living forever?
And who would the medicine have belonged to anyway? Since the Federation was assisting the So'na, shouldn't they have had a large share of the medicine? Which raises my next question, why did the So'na need Federation assistance in the first place? Since they had the ships and weapons, wouldn't it have made more sense for them to eliminate the Baku by themselves, that way guaranteeing that all of the medicine would belong to them. That could be a very powerful bargaining tool, considering that the Federation and Dominion are at war with one another and both sides could greatly benefit from the medicine. On the flipside, I also suppose that owning all of the medicine would paint a large target on the So'na. The Dominion would undoubtedly take the medicine by force. So, if you look at it that way then I suppose an alliance with the Federation was the safest option.
EDIT: Just read BillJ's post. So the medicine doesn't make you immortal, but it does double your lifespan. Close enough, lol.
BillJ pointed out that the particles were "only" going to double lifespans, no longer than that.
the planet was in Federation space, that's why the Son'a partnered with them.
The Federation is more an Empire than america is. There are other worlds under it's rule of law. The US only lays claim to this continent. We used to protect south America but no longer. We only protected Cuba, because our missiles were there. Other than that, it's strategic location for that purpose was why we didn't want Russia to get there first. Once again, survival trumps everything.
Yep, I edited my post after reading that.
they weren't "claiming" it, they didn't originally know of the Baku's existence.
it'd be like discovering a small band of people in a huge forest of an already developed country. the territory was already drawn long before.
I also think that it is stupid but it is their choice. You could compare them e.g. with the Amish, they also wanna live without modern technology. It is their, not our choice.
If I remember correctly there was something in the script about the So'na and the Federation combining their technology in order to create something worthwhile out of the radiation.
The main error was to collaborate with a bunch of thugs in the first place. Just take a look at recent US foreign policy, Hussein and bin Laden have basically been former employees and while they have been useful at their respective missions, to keep Iran respectively the Soviet Union at bay, they later caused more trouble than they were worth. So even from a hardcore Kissingerian Realpolitik point of view it is a bad idea to work together with dubious folks.
PICARD: Our partners are nothing more than petty thugs.
DOUGHERTY: On Earth, petroleum once turned petty thugs into world leaders. Warp drive transformed a bunch of Romulan thugs into an Empire. We can handle the Son'a. I'm not worried about that.
PICARD: Someone probably said the same thing about the Romulans a century ago.
Good point. I especially like the quote you chose.
I believe it was mentioned in the film that the So'na were providing Ketricel white to the Dominion (or maybe it was in a deleted scene). Either way, it makes the Federation look very questionable.
This is all what I was getting at about half a dozen pages back. There are pros and cons to both sides of the argument. Picard isn't completely in the wrong, and the Federation isn't completely in the right (although I think the argument is a little more slanted in favor of the Federation, considering that billions of people could be helped if they got their way).
Which goes back to making Picard a preaching hypocrite who took umbridge at a slight infraction of the rules by a Kirk like Admiral and went to extroirdinary lengths to stop him and take a cheap shot at at a great man and pulling the thread of his sweater. either way, Picard is a loser and TNG is way overrated.
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