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Yeah, I don't think that's canonical at all. T'Pol was fine, Spock and T'Pring seemed fine, if we go to the Litverse then T'Rama and Skon didn't seem to have any issues from it.

Honestly, it being fatal sounds familiar, but I can't pin down exactly when you're referring to with it. Where was that from originally?
 
Honestly, it being fatal sounds familiar, but I can't pin down exactly when you're referring to with it. Where was that from originally?

The Vulcan Academy Murders by Jean Lorrah. It's specifically in reference to the death of one partner in a bond, not the voluntary dissolution of a mating bond. The shock of that death resonating through the bond was potentially fatal to the survivor, unless they were tended to by close family and helped through it via a telepathic bond to take the place of the one that had been lost, or something like that.

But we've seen no evidence that this is the case in canon. Perrin didn't seem to be endangered by Sarek's death, and in the Abramsverse, Sarek was in no mortal danger when Amanda died.
 
Bibliomike,you may have a good speculation on the reset. When Spock becomes reintegrated with his body, what happens to the experiences of his brain on Genesis? None of these apply to Saavik, as a broken marriage bond can be lethal (perhaps not canonical)

No clue. In my SNW story (shameless plug, cough, cough), I just accepted that Spock eventually retained/regained all the memories of everything that happened on the Genesis Planet. I am ashamed to admit I didn't think through the psychic, bonding aspects of it. That's one reason "Miasma" impressed me, because Greg clearly did.
 
Yeah, I don't think that's canonical at all. T'Pol was fine, Spock and T'Pring seemed fine, if we go to the Litverse then T'Rama and Skon didn't seem to have any issues from it.

Honestly, it being fatal sounds familiar, but I can't pin down exactly when you're referring to with it. Where was that from originally?

Doesn't Spock say something to that effect in "Amok Time"? I know McCoy does - "He'll die, Jim!" And then, after the commercial break, Kirk's "Why... must he die?"

Maybe it was harder on Spock, not being a full Vulcan?
 
Doesn't Spock say something to that effect in "Amok Time"? I know McCoy does - "He'll die, Jim!" And then, after the commercial break, Kirk's "Why... must he die?"

Maybe it was harder on Spock, not being a full Vulcan?

That wasn't about breaking a marriage bond, though, that was about not fulfilling an existing marriage bond. We're talking about ending a marriage bond outside pon farr, dissolving the connection.

The Vulcan Academy Murders by Jean Lorrah. It's specifically in reference to the death of one partner in a bond, not the voluntary dissolution of a mating bond. The shock of that death resonating through the bond was potentially fatal to the survivor, unless they were tended to by close family and helped through it via a telepathic bond to take the place of the one that had been lost, or something like that.

But we've seen no evidence that this is the case in canon. Perrin didn't seem to be endangered by Sarek's death, and in the Abramsverse, Sarek was in no mortal danger when Amanda died.

Oh, right, I vaguely remember that now I think. Thanks!
 
Doesn't Spock say something to that effect in "Amok Time"? I know McCoy does - "He'll die, Jim!" And then, after the commercial break, Kirk's "Why... must he die?"

Maybe it was harder on Spock, not being a full Vulcan?

That wasn't even about the telepathic bond per se. It was about the plak tow, the neurochemical imbalance that Spock was suffering from as a result of his biological mating drive. The only way to restore his metabolism and neurochemistry to normal was either by having sex or by engaging in lethal combat (although VGR: "Blood Fever" established that it didn't necessarily have to be lethal). I assume that would be true of a Vulcan undergoing pon farr without being bonded.

Also, there's a difference between the betrothal bond established in "Amok Time" and the marriage bond hypothesized in The Vulcan Academy Murders. The former was just a low-level connection serving to bring the two potential mates together at the appointed time; the latter, allegedly, was a much more profound union of minds that was established upon getting married, so profound that it was like they were two halves of a single mind, and thus the death of one partner would endanger the other. TVAM certainly did not claim that breaking a mere betrothal bond would be fatal, because such a bond is nowhere near deep enough. So it had nothing to do with the events of "Amok Time."
 
This may be all true, but we have no idea of the extent of the bonding on the Genesis planet.
Perhaps another reason might be Spock and Saavik melded several times during his mentoring of her. A stronger residue might be good enough to keep Greg:ending?
Again not canonical but if one mate dies, surely a Vulcan master or adept could prevent death for the living spouse.
 
I still don't understand your issue. If I tie a rope to the leg of a bookcase and then fill the bookcase full of books, it doesn't make the rope disappear. I never saw the restoration of Spock's katra as erasing his empty mind's Genesis planet experiences, just merging with what little had been added there.
 
Just a quick nitpick-y comment. In Chapter Two, when describing the conditions of the marsh water, the text reads, "The water was unpleasantly cool but not freezing. Spock estimated the temperature to be approximately forty degrees Celsius."

I guess Vulcans really do have a different sense of what "cool" means. :)

If I had a dollar for every time I've seen some measurement error that looks like someone changed a unit without changing a number in a Star Trek book... usually it's amounts in metres that would make a lot more sense in feet, but this appears to be one of them. 40F is 8 degrees Fahrenheit above freezing. 40C is close to 100F.

Meanwhile, another review, based on the Netgalley advance ereading copy I got a few months ago.

There are a few spoilers ahead.

Imagine there’d been a TV series set after Star Trek V, with Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Uhura, Chekov, and Saavik on the Enterprise (Sulu’s gone off to the Excelsior by now). Imagine the episodes of that TV series sometimes revisited themes and concepts from the original series but with a group of older, wiser characters who’d learned from their past experiences. That’s what this novella by Greg Cox feels like.

While ferrying ambassadors to a diplomatic summit, the Enterprise receives a strange signal from an unexplored world — SOS call? warning buoy? something else? The universal translator can’t decode it, but the Enterprise goes to investigate. Spock, McCoy, and a few others take a shuttle to the surface (atmospheric conditions interfere with sensors, communications, and transporters). Things go wrong and they find themselves in a struggle to survive. Plotwise, it’s a new take on the classic episode “The Galileo Seven,” but with an older and wiser Spock and McCoy handling the situation much differently, and being aware of the parallels.

Being one of the ebook novella series, this is short enough to feel like a TV episode. Adding to the TV episode feel is the minor subplot of the cranky ambassadors, the kind we’ve seen a few times before, who don’t actually get much time on the page. The story could have worked just as well without them, so I can’t help but think they’re there to give this that extra bit of TV episode feel.

Greg Cox is an experienced novelist who’s been writing these characters (except Saavik) for many years, and he has a solid understanding of their personalities and the way they speak and interact. He also does well with Saavik, who (as played by Kirstie Alley in Star Trek II) was a fascinating character and hasn’t appeared in Treklit nearly enough.

This is scheduled for Star Trek’s 50th anniversary and it’s a good pick for that. In a concise, fast-paced novella you get a tale that lets the old classic gang have one of their late adventures, commenting on one of their earlier adventures. That allows it to be nostalgic without being only nostalgic. Good stuff.
 
We had a lot of fun talking about this one on Literary Treks.
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Right. Sure. Two hundred years from now, and window shards are still extremely sharp when they shatter. Even on a spaceworthy vessel which has to be constructed to protect from a speck of dust that could potentially cause havoc at impulse speeds.

Now I'm willing to bet somebody's going to try and rationalize this with Treknobabble. (Probably Christopher)
 
Right. Sure. Two hundred years from now, and window shards are still extremely sharp when they shatter. Even on a spaceworthy vessel which has to be constructed to protect from a speck of dust that could potentially cause havoc at impulse speeds.

Now I'm willing to bet somebody's going to try and rationalize this with Treknobabble. (Probably Christopher)
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Right. Sure. Two hundred years from now, and window shards are still extremely sharp when they shatter. Even on a spaceworthy vessel which has to be constructed to protect from a speck of dust that could potentially cause havoc at impulse speeds.

Now I'm willing to bet somebody's going to try and rationalize this with Treknobabble. (Probably Christopher)

No one's going to bother trying to respond since it's obvious you won't care about it anyway regardless of the content with a comment like that, so mission accomplished I guess?
 
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AAAAHHHHhhh! What was Yost's first name?! The suspense is killing me! :D

A nice little story. Basically a FYM-type story, but set outside of the FYM. I think the length worked well for this one. I generally am not a big fan of the generic "planet of the week" type stories, but I think this format suits it fairly well.

I have to admit, I LOL'ed a little when Uhura first got the initial translation of the message. Oops! :lol:

Was nice to see Saavik again. And I will admit, I heard her voice as Alley's, rather than Curtis's. (But the callback to Spock's funeral was fairly strong, and it was Alley in that one. Plus I like TWOK better than TSFS anyway...)

Just out of curiosity, did you have an actual translation in mind of what Spock was "saying" to Saavik? I'm guessing it was "Hey, don't raise the shields!", but just curious.

why simply spraying the blood hypos onto the human members of the landing party wouldn't work

OK, when I first read this, I read it as "into", and I just assumed this would be a bad thing, medically speaking, for the humans involved. But yeah, I guess if they're using Spock's blood anyway, just rubbing it on themselves might have required less of it overall.

One thing I definitely dislike though is the cover.
Wrong font. Bad shot of ship

What's wrong with the font? And I thought the shot of the ship looked great!
 
Just out of curiosity, did you have an actual translation in mind of what Spock was "saying" to Saavik? I'm guessing it was "Hey, don't raise the shields!", but just curious.

Nothing that specific. My memory is fuzzy, but, as I recall, I basically lifted those Vulcan phrases from the pon faar scene in STAR TREK III. I can't remember the exact translation, but it's along the lines of "my mind to your mind, our minds join" . . . that kind of thing.

As for why they didn't spray Spock's blood on themselves . . . honestly, I didn't think of that. I had shark-repellent on the brain and treated Spock's blood accordingly, although I suppose we can rationalize that, trudging through a damp, wet swamp, the stuff was bound to wash off them fairly quickly . ...
 
Just got this book this weekend and cannot wait to dig into it. Greg is one of my favourite Star Trek writers and the Enterprise-A period is one of my favourite (albeit least explored) eras of the Trek timeline; like many here, I loved the DC Comics series set during this time and am always excited for more. Particularly interested to see more of Saavik, especially after reading what others have written here. Hoping to see more fiction set in the movie era; more by Greg or by Christopher Bennett would be especially welcome.
 
You also lifted some Vulcan from the Kolinahr scene in TMP. I read it aloud and thought, "Oh, yes, I remember hearing that!" Very impressive attention to detail.

Did any religious analogies regarding the "saving power" of Spock's blood in this book ever occur to you? The blood of the Passover lamb on the doorposts in Exodus... "washed in the blood" in Christianity...? (I am not saying you necessarily intended the situation as any kind of religious allusion - just curious if it struck you.)
 
You also lifted some Vulcan from the Kolinahr scene in TMP. I read it aloud and thought, "Oh, yes, I remember hearing that!" Very impressive attention to detail.

Did any religious analogies regarding the "saving power" of Spock's blood in this book ever occur to you? The blood of the Passover lamb on the doorposts in Exodus... "washed in the blood" in Christianity...? (I am not saying you necessarily intended the situation as any kind of religious allusion - just curious if it struck you.)

To be honest, any religious analogies did not occur to me, although blood obviously comes with all sorts of symbolic associations.
 
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