Spoilers TOS: Living Memory by Christopher L. Bennett - Review Thread

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  1. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    Just drop it, please. Best not to take any chances. I had no plans to revisit Vekal anyway.
     
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  2. Damian

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    Ok. You'd know better than I. I'd just hate for some dopey post of mine to be the reason you didn't do something.
     
  3. Charles Phipps

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    There was a story about the guy who wrote the animated TROUBLE WITH TRIBBLES sequel who supposedly got sued by the parents of a child who claimed that he'd stolen their child's idea told to him during a tour.
     
  4. Manisphere

    Manisphere Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I apologize if if this has been asked and answered but I'm just about to start the audiobook. It says the events take place 6 years after what happened with VGER and 6 years prior to the events in Wrath of Khan. I feel like something is off there.
     
  5. Daddy Todd

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    This matches the Okuda chronology, which separates TMP and TWOK by a dozen or so years.

    TMP was 3-4 years after Space Seed, and TWOK was 15 years after Space Seed. So, there were a dozen years between TMP and TWOK.
     
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  6. Christopher

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    No, that's right. The 5-year mission ended in 2270 per Voyager: "Q2," so TMP, which is at least two and a half years later, falls in 2273. And the Okuda Chronology puts TWOK in 2285, which is inexplicably 18 years after "Space Seed," but it's the accepted date now, like it or not. So 2279 is pretty much halfway between them.
     
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  7. Manisphere

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    Wow. I had no idea they set TMP so soon after the the events in TOS. Thanks.
     
  8. Charles Phipps

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    18 years after Space Seed would make it far more likely that Joachim is Khan's son and not his friend. Which is my favorite interpretation.
     
  9. Christopher

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    They said explicitly in the movie that Kirk had been Chief of Starfleet Operations for two and a half years. Kirk also referred to "my five years out there," implying that his CSO tenure began right after the 5-year mission. (Although that line ignores the decade or so he spent serving on starships between the Academy and the 5YM.)
     
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  10. Damian

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    I believe in Greg Cox' novel To Reign in Hell listed him as Joaquin's son. And Joaquin was Khan's right hand man so he would be almost like a son. IIRC Khan took on that role after Joaquin died.
     
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  11. hbquikcomjamesl

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    Quite correct. And I've always regarded that as one of GC's most under-recognized contributions to the story.
     
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  12. Leto_II

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    Interestingly, the 2010 IDW comic-series Khan: Ruling in Hell (which ended up using certain aspects of Greg Cox's novel-trilogy while changing other things to tell its own version of the story, but also crediting Greg on the inner copyright-indicia) had Joaquin and Joachim being one and the same, retconning Judson Scott's The Wrath of Khan-character into the '60s TV-character:

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  13. Damian

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    Can't say I care for that, mainly because they look nothing alike and he even looks younger in Twok.
     
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  14. Charles Phipps

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    It also has more punch that Khan has killed his only flesh and blood in a act of revenge that he had numerous chances to run away from.
     
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  15. Kilana2

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    Finished it. It was nice to see Uhura's background covered and explained. Going back to her family to spend her leave with them was a nice conclusion. She made also peace with Shastri and Sulu, Chekov and Scotty always supported her in her efforts to solve the flare crisis.

    Kirk was not central this time. Event McCoy had his part in solving the crisis.

    The Warborn experiment failed in the end, but I like stories where members of different cultures and nations attend the Academy. They have their personal struggles to overcome and have to reconcile traditions of their homeworlds with Federation values. Nog, Zurin Dakal, Worf as the first Klingon in Starfleet.

    I hope Portia and the other survivors find peace and purpose on Vulcan.
     
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  16. Garak234

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    In the novel Uhura's brother works as a lawyer for the elephants and Chimps.
    The first possibility is that the decline in human populations in India and Africa benifeted the Elephants there who benifeted during the post atomic horrors from both the pre war human size and the demise of a large chunk of the Indian population. The second possibility is that they were brought back from extinction via genetic cloning like current projects related to mammoths. The third possibility is that the Elephants are migrants from a UFP world to earth.
     
  17. Christopher

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    Huh? I think you mean Living Memory. Burning Dreams was Margaret Wander Bonanno's novel about Christopher Pike. Also, it's her mother who works as an advocate for the elephant community. Her brother's a doctor.

    And why shouldn't the elephants have survived? It was obviously a limited nuclear conflict, since humanity itself survived and so did a lot of familiar landmarks. The prose has suggested that the nuclear strikes were largely aerial strikes above cities, doing the bulk of their damage with EMP destroying the infrastructure. Areas populated by species other than humans were probably not targeted.
     
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  18. Charles Phipps

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    I give lots of props for making an entire storyline about the clone notes in the original movie's technical manual.
     
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  19. Avro Arrow

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    @Garak234 , please remember, if you have a specific question about a book we already have a thread for, it is better to ask your question in the pre-existing thread, rather than create a new thread to ask about one specific thing. Thank you.

    I am going to move this to the Living Memory thread for you.
     
  20. EDX

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    Mr Bennett, as mentioned over on Tor.com I wanted to ask some questions regarding LIVING MEMORY and have finally refreshed my BBS membership in order to do so; please let me know if you're still willing to discuss those questions and please do keep well whatever your answer may be! (-: