TOS Hanger in the TOS E
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And here's how I came up with that figure:
Going by cloudster.com's shuttle prop dimensions, we know that the distance between the nacelles is 11'10". I am using this as the scaling figure because the length of the shuttlecraft varies depending on whether you use the 2' model or the 21' prop (the model has a sharper nose). Here is the original image:
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx214/Mytran77/propwidth.gif?t=1253353487
Applying that to a screencap is dependent on the resolution, so I have taken a min/max approach. 64' is a good average.
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx214/Mytran77/shuttlebayrotatedwidth.jpg?t=1253353490
This shuttlebay fits nicely into a 1080' enterprise and tightly into a 947' one
Going by cloudster.com's shuttle prop dimensions, we know that the distance between the nacelles is 11'10". I am using this as the scaling figure because the length of the shuttlecraft varies depending on whether you use the 2' model or the 21' prop (the model has a sharper nose). Here is the original image:
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx214/Mytran77/propwidth.gif?t=1253353487
Applying that to a screencap is dependent on the resolution, so I have taken a min/max approach. 64' is a good average.
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx214/Mytran77/shuttlebayrotatedwidth.jpg?t=1253353490
This shuttlebay fits nicely into a 1080' enterprise and tightly into a 947' one
I can follow most of your posts but that one bamboozled me!
True. But my point is that it makes you think. If I were to design for a show or film that was set in the human future, I might play with the idea of sneaking stuff like that in on purpose, just to prompt the kind of discussion we are having. And if anyone called me out on it, just say that that's the way it'll be spelled in Terranglo. 
The case for a hangar deck separate from the landing bay can be made, just from the differences between the doors we saw in "Journey to Babel" and "The Immunity Syndrome".
...Then again, the case can be made that both doors had labels referring to "hanger deck". And that there could well be three doors leading into the landing facility: one on each side, in the larger trapezoid alcoves (and possibly not even perpendicular to ship centerline, as there are small doors on the canted forward walls of those alcoves in the miniature, not on the straight side walls), and quite possibly a further one at the exact centerline (where we have a turbolift in ST5), looking aft.
Multiple doors would also help explain the orientation of the shuttlecraft as seen through a given doorway, in relation to how we saw the turntable handle the craft just moments before. And if we accept that all three doors are looking either roughly aft (the side alcoves) or directly aft (the centerline door), then the nondescript grey background can also be excused as being what the space doors of the landing bay look like when off focus...
Timo Saloniemi
Multiple doors would also help explain the orientation of the shuttlecraft as seen through a given doorway, in relation to how we saw the turntable handle the craft just moments before. And if we accept that all three doors are looking either roughly aft (the side alcoves) or directly aft (the centerline door), then the nondescript grey background can also be excused as being what the space doors of the landing bay look like when off focus...
Timo Saloniemi
Another option for the difference in spelling is the difference in the Queen's English and American English. Look at the word "color" for instance. It is spelled as I quoted it before in the States, but in Britain, it is "colour." Same goes for licence/license, etc.
Any Brits that can way in on this?
Any Brits that can way in on this?
Yet the subtitle gnomes of nautical adventures readily give us spellings such as "Anchors away!" or "We are underway, Sir!". If "weigh" in those cases is allowed to corrode into "way", perhaps the same development is due for "weighing in"? Just like in the above two cases, the new, false etymology makes perfect sense: "Anybody want a way in(to the discussion)?" is actually even more intuitive than "Anybody want to have their weight felt in the discussion?"...
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
It's not just a grey wall, though! Watching "Babel" last night I noticed something peeking out at the top of the grey wall:
http://s757.photobucket.com/albums/xx214/Mytran77/?action=view¤t=Image5.jpg
What are those three multicoloured squares - windows? It does appear to be a gallery of sorts. A few seconds later the camera moves forward and we can see the edge of it:
http://s757.photobucket.com/albums/xx214/Mytran77/?action=view¤t=Image6.jpg
Is this meant to be the "observation deck" of the shuttlebay, or simply a piece of the soundstage accidentally peeking in? Does anyone even know where abouts on the soundstage the shuttlebay sequences were filmed?
Fascinating!
Strange that it would only be visible through this much effort. If TPTB really wanted to create the illusion of a space identical to the scale model of the bay, this feature should have been suspended quite a bit lower down. And surely something resembling the trapezoid alcove on the opposite side could have been concoted, even if as a mere outline drawn on the background canvas?
One is almost tempted to think that the strange beam wasn't supposed to be seen, and was merely part of the studio riggings. One also wonders why the remastering team didn't try and work their magic on this background, which was relatively simple; only in a few frames would any character's head or torso extend beyond the outline of the shuttlecraft and thus add difficulty to texturing the back wall.
Timo Saloniemi
Strange that it would only be visible through this much effort. If TPTB really wanted to create the illusion of a space identical to the scale model of the bay, this feature should have been suspended quite a bit lower down. And surely something resembling the trapezoid alcove on the opposite side could have been concoted, even if as a mere outline drawn on the background canvas?
One is almost tempted to think that the strange beam wasn't supposed to be seen, and was merely part of the studio riggings. One also wonders why the remastering team didn't try and work their magic on this background, which was relatively simple; only in a few frames would any character's head or torso extend beyond the outline of the shuttlecraft and thus add difficulty to texturing the back wall.
Timo Saloniemi
That was my first thought as well, possibly a backdrop roller? However, as the 2nd pic shows the object doesn't extend all the way across, so it can't be supporting the wall, at least not entirely. This is why I wondered where the actual set was constructed (in relation to the rest of the standing sets). Unfortunately none of the set plans I have show this. I wonder; is the shuttebay wall actually one of the studio walls, or freestanding like the big engineering one? They seem to be about the same height (20')
Yet the subtitle gnomes of nautical adventures readily give us spellings such as "Anchors away!" or "We are underway, Sir!". If "weigh" in those cases is allowed to corrode into "way", perhaps the same development is due for "weighing in"? Just like in the above two cases, the new, false etymology makes perfect sense: "Anybody want a way in(to the discussion)?" is actually even more intuitive than "Anybody want to have their weight felt in the discussion?"...
Timo Saloniemi
Decades of rationalizing Star Trek plots prepared you for that one!
I checked and they did! Clearly the remastered chaps felt that this was the observation gallery and pasted in the appropriate graphics:
The funny thing is that the shuttlebay graphics don't line up at all well with any of the possible exits. Oh well, you can't have everything!
QUICK ADDITION: the remastered gallery shifts position in "The Immunity Syndrome". Now it's much lower to the ground and observation deck windows are visible:
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx214/Mytran77/shuttlebayremasteredImmunitySyndrom.jpg
Now that is just plain careless! Even the original series kept the "gallery" object in the same place (it's visible in "Syndrome", but only just).
Now that is just plain careless! Even the original series kept the "gallery" object in the same place (it's visible in "Syndrome", but only just).
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