TOS Enterprise Internals

[yotsuya]

@yotsuya Be advised that the color images 3, 4 and 5 that appear to be from a magazine are in fact 3D renders by Petri Blomqvist.
See this post and thread for more info:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/pho...ck-studio-miniature.34793/page-7#post-8622472

That is wild. I examined them pretty closely before posting (I do have some renders in that folder as well) and from the details it looked real. I've edited my post to correctly credit his work.

And here is one more. I think the closest to the shuttle sitting sideways.

 

[Mytran]

I hadn't seen this photo before. Thanks for sharing. Any others that haven't popped up in this thread?

Thanks to Yotsuya's post we now all share pretty much the same collection of photos, except that I have this one in a larger size:

 

[BK613]

That is wild.

And when you consider that this was before hi-def screencaps were around (the magazine article is from 2001), it comes across as even more fantastic.

We share pretty much the same collection of photos, except that I have this one in a larger size:

Thanks, I only had a smaller version of that one.

 

[Mytran]

Yup, the one on the right is it. You can see that everything is clear from the area, and to the left side you an see part of an arcing line that is in the correct location for the door edge.

Except that the wall line and floor line do not meet. I have outlined them in colour to better show this.

Also, given that at least one cable (also coloured now) runs over the top of the arch groove, I doubt that the clamshell doors were ever fixed in place there. Why would they need to be? Just anchor them at the top centre and let them slide through the groove on the floor

BTW, here is the original photo which gave us the exterior of the model:

 

[yotsuya]

Except that the wall line and floor line do not meet. I have outlined them in colour to better show this.

Also, given that at least one cable (also coloured now) runs over the top of the arch groove, I doubt that the clamshell doors were ever fixed in place there. Why would they need to be? Just anchor them at the top centre and let them slide through the groove on the floor

I don't see a groove where you drew the line. And you are right, there is no need for it to be attached except at the top.

BTW, here is the original photo which gave us the exterior of the model:

I wish I had this photo without the text. That is an awesome photo of the Enterprise. Full of details.

 

[Mytran]

I don't see a groove where you drew the line. And you are right, there is no need for it to be attached except at the top.

Ah, my mistake then. Which line on the end wall are you referring to?

I wish I had this photo without the text. That is an awesome photo of the Enterprise. Full of details.

Totally! Hopefully it will surface one day

 

[Henoch]

The clamshell hangar door looks more rectangular than pie-shaped. I guess the excess stock on the door could stick out in the unseen back (behind the doors) in order to get a grip on them to pull them open. There looks like something is on one edge, like a glob of tape. Ideas?

 

[BK613]

@Henoch To me, rather than tape, it looks like the hangar door and ceiling thingy are sitting some rumpled paper (thinking something like butcher paper. May be the items are drying after being painted.)

 

[yotsuya]

Well, Google was no help, but a friend remembered seeing it on Facebook and sent it to me.

I was interested more in what this shows of the Enterprise than of the hanger. The Port nacelle is capless and you can see the lights. A nice view of the weathering and a window I had heard was smaller (and that I drew that way). So many nice details to pull out and make use of. And it might not show quite enough, but a different view of the secondary hull to confirm the full curve shape.

 

[BK613]

@yotsuya That's awesome. thanks to you and your facebook friend.

 

[Mytran]

Well, Google was no help, but a friend remembered seeing it on Facebook and sent it to me.

I was interested more in what this shows of the Enterprise than of the hanger. The Port nacelle is capless and you can see the lights. A nice view of the weathering and a window I had heard was smaller (and that I drew that way). So many nice details to pull out and make use of. And it might not show quite enough, but a different view of the secondary hull to confirm the full curve shape.

Thank you and your friend! It's interesting to see clearly now that the outside of the alcove is built on an angle different to the base.

 

[blssdwlf]

Well, Google was no help, but a friend remembered seeing it on Facebook and sent it to me.

I was interested more in what this shows of the Enterprise than of the hanger. The Port nacelle is capless and you can see the lights. A nice view of the weathering and a window I had heard was smaller (and that I drew that way). So many nice details to pull out and make use of. And it might not show quite enough, but a different view of the secondary hull to confirm the full curve shape.

Wow, yes, thank your friend and thank you for sharing! That's a great photo.

 

[BK613]

It's interesting to see clearly now that the outside of the alcove is built on an angle different to the base.

Yes it is clear that the tapering half-cylinder is sitting on a rectangular base.

 

[publiusr]

Such a great thread.

 

[yotsuya]

I have turned my attention back to the set plans.

I have not been happy with my first attempt at the Herbarium. Now I know why. The plan sketch has very little in common with the set. In fact all the sketches for Is There In Truth No Beauty seem to have been abandoned. Going by production order, the set was built for Elaan of Troyius, but that scene was deleted. Then used for And The Children Shall Lead, before finally being filled with plants for Is There In Truth No Beauty. The final set was very different from the sketches. The sketches show an arch between the round section and the rectangular section, but there was no arch in the set. Also, I was able to get better measurements (and in the process discovered that the tubolift doors on the Bridge are 84", not 78" like the standard doors). The planter in the middle is 7' across and the room appears to be 25' across (on the main curved walls). The two alcoves are 2' deep. My previous drawing was 19' across and felt too small. I'll have to see if those numbers still work when I draw it. Sometimes you have to further tweak things to get them to look right. But I am confident of the size of the planter in the middle. The other dimensions are are not so certain as they are based on the width of the edge of the planter being 6 inches thick and estimations of where the curves should go. But I'm going to draw elevations as well as the plan view. So I can include it in my cross section.

I also decided to draw each quarters configuration. And there is an odd engineering area on the set plans for Charlie X. I'll have to watch the episode to see what is there (if it was even used, like the unused Charlie's cabin).

Slow progress, but progress.

 

[Henoch]

Can't wait to see the Herbarium. Any idea where the room was set up on the sound stage for Elaan of Troyius, And The Children Shall Lead and Is There In Truth No Beauty?. I find it possible to put it in the same space as the conference room with its back walls removed, but I don't see the blue carpet (unless they rolled it up...) ?

 

[yotsuya]

Can't wait to see the Herbarium. Any idea where the room was set up on the sound stage for Elaan of Troyius, And The Children Shall Lead and Is There In Truth No Beauty?. I find it possible to put it in the same space as the conference room with its back walls removed, but I don't see the blue carpet (unless they rolled it up...) ?

I don't think it was on the main soundstage. I think it was a secondary set. It was really just that round section with flyaway walls and a false corridor. So it looks a lot bigger than it was.

 

[Mytran]

I too look forward to your results with the herbarium, it's one of those rare mystery sets!

and in the process discovered that the tubolift doors on the Bridge are 84", not 78" like the standard doors).

It doesn't look 7' tall when compared to the actors though (unless Comissioner Ferris was incredibly tall!)

The turbolift doors were only 3'6" wide though, compared to 4' wide which was the standard for double pocket doors elsewhere. Perhaps this is throwing off your calculations?
Incidentally, in the screencap above the height/width ratio of the doorway matches up with 78"x42" almost exactly.

I also decided to draw each quarters configuration. And there is an odd engineering area on the set plans for Charlie X. I'll have to watch the episode to see what is there (if it was even used, like the unused Charlie's cabin).

Another excellent idea! We never saw Sulu's or Chekov's quarters, but there's plenty of other examples (including Rand)
Regarding the engineering area, did you mean this?

That's the Jefferies Tube and its overhead lighting mesh. In Season One the Jefferis Tube was housed in a little room just off the main corridor. Charlie X shows the doorway, the corridor beyond and the shadows from the lighting mesh quite well:

Charlie's quarters were built pretty much as shown, although the bed seems not to have been included. We get a better look at the cabin in Conscience Of The King.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Regarding the engineering area, did you mean this?

That's the Jefferies Tube and its overhead lighting mesh. In Season One the Jefferis Tube was housed in a little room just off the main corridor. Charlie X shows the doorway, the corridor beyond and the shadows from the lighting mesh quite well:

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We also see that little Jeffries Tube alcove in "What Little Girls Are Made Of..." when 'Driod Kirk comes aboard. Spock is seen crouching near the tube as Kirk strides out the lift.

 

[yotsuya]

I too look forward to your results with the herbarium, it's one of those rare mystery sets!

It doesn't look 7' tall when compared to the actors though (unless Comissioner Ferris was incredibly tall!)

The turbolift doors were only 3'6" wide though, compared to 4' wide which was the standard for double pocket doors elsewhere. Perhaps this is throwing off your calculations?
Incidentally, in the screencap above the height/width ratio of the doorway matches up with 78"x42" almost exactly.

Another excellent idea! We never saw Sulu's or Chekov's quarters, but there's plenty of other examples (including Rand)
Regarding the engineering area, did you mean this?

That's the Jefferies Tube and its overhead lighting mesh. In Season One the Jefferis Tube was housed in a little room just off the main corridor. Charlie X shows the doorway, the corridor beyond and the shadows from the lighting mesh quite well:

Charlie's quarters were built pretty much as shown, although the bed seems not to have been included. We get a better look at the cabin in Conscience Of The King.

For the bridge door, I was going off of Shatner's height, which is 5'10" or 70". With the boot heel he should be 72" on set. The young actor measured 58". The top of the door measured 84". I compared the bridge turbolift door to the normal double sliding door (in the conference/rec room set plans) and the bridge door was taller. I was also cross referencing another calculation I did earlier which also came up with 84" for the herberium round planter.

The quarters set was greatly revamped for Conscience of the King. It has the same living are and door, but the rest of the set was modified with two doors and a couple of partitions. So it was a very different room. My take on these two rooms is that these are probably on Deck 3, near where Pike's quarters would have been. They haven't been updated in years so when Elaan comes on board, she is given a more updated cabin (Uhura's) fitting her rank and the diplomatic importance of the mission.