TOS aesthetics
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I loved the look of the ship but the spinning seemed like really advanced tech for the time. It was unnecessary. It looked cool but it seemed like they could have saved that for an alien species vessel. It just didn’t feel SF.
What happened to OP?
At least we know for a fact that this one is blantely untrue as we’ve seen non-commissioned officers and enlisted crewman a plenty in the series.
Was the idea started with TNG?
In TOS there were definitely enlisted people, i.e. technicians in those pajama-looking jumpsuits with no insignia.
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It started with a statement by Roddenberry in The Making of Star Trek in 1968, even though it had been contradicted in several episodes by that point.
The jumpsuit uniforms were worn by officers (Lt. Kyle, Lt. Singh) and enlisted crew (Green, Lawton, Compton) apparently wore the standard uniform with no rank insignia, the same as ensigns.
Red would just make everyone angry and impassioned all the time. Wrong shade of blue is gonna depress them. TNG is pretty much in the sweet spot, with its almost yellows and pastels.
from a decade earlier, it's interesting that the ship console scene in Day The Earth Stood Still still looks alien and incomprehensible because the readouts make no sense, and he's controlling this complicated operation with hand waves and gestures. It still works
I’m fifty fifty. There was, at that time, and to an extent even now, a lot of immigration between France and the U.K. our histories are intertwined. In some ways, it makes perfect sense, especially after geopolitical upheavals like WWIII. Where it gets let down is by the Hollywood stereotyping....his french characteristics were wine and singing Frere Jacque. His English ones were riding the horse and not eating, and owning a flat cap. Reading Shakespeare or Dickens is a bit of an outlier. Problem is, Hollywood to some extent sees ‘European’ as broadly interchangeable, particularly the males (if Picard was female, he would have probably danced the Can Can and pouted at some point.)
Oh. I nearly forgot the Tea drinking. But it was an esoteric choice....It should have been ‘Tea, hot, milk, two sugars and strong enough to paint Mister Data a shade’ . To be fair, w also had a ton of HOLLYWOOD Irish too.
But yes...interchangeable. That’s why a German terrorist is Alan Rickman, much as a French Captain is Patrick Stewart. You see the same problem with ‘Asia’ being lumped in, and that’s how you get the diplomatic cock up that was memoirs of a Geisha.
Me? I think a British Frenchman is an interesting SF point, even if the landed on it by accident.
Wasn't O'Brien a non-Commissioned officer and Tina Lawton was a yeoman 3rd class?
Chief O'Brien - as in "Chief Petty Officer". That's proof of enlisted ranks. There were several references to "crewman" in TOS as well.
Yeoman is a position, not a rank - usually handled by an NCO in a modern Navy, it's mainly a clerical job.
Yeoman is a position, not a rank - usually handled by an NCO in a modern Navy, it's mainly a clerical job.
The problem early on..before they went NCO on him...is that Transporter Chief seems like a job title like Chief Engineer. And Geordi is definitely an officer.
Nobody ever accused the suits of being consistent!
I only have one suit, so it's pretty consistent.
"Crewman" isn't a rank or rate in the real world. It just meant member of the (starship) crew. I think it was the TOS movies that solidified the idea of it being the equivalent of a Seaman rating.
"Crewman" certainly doesn't sound silly like "Spaceman"...now, does it?
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