The point is that it's not dead yet. In his own way, I believe James Cawley has done what James T. Kirk always did: "Turn death into a fighting chance to live." - Dr. McCoy, Star Trek III
"Torment of Destiny" Star Trek New Voyages
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Nope. He gave up trying to "live" before the battle for survival even started.
The guidelines as being a CBS licensee preclude James from releasing fanfilms. It's dead, Jim, live with it. No amount of rabble-rousing, hackneyed quoting is going to make that change.
The guidelines don't preclude anything. They're not legally binding, they're guidelines to establish a safe space for those of us who enjoy making fanfilms.
Whatever agreement James has with CBS is another matter entirely.
Whatever agreement James has with CBS is another matter entirely.
Depending on how you could interpret the Guidlines - Guidline 5 WOULD preclude Mr. Cawley from doing ANYTHING 'fan film related:
http://www.startrek.com/fan-films
James Cawley is a CBS licensee with regard to his Star Trek Set studio tour. <---- That precludes him from further participating directly in ant Star Trek fan film project.
I was specifically referring to whatever guidelines and rules exist for CBS licensees, not the fan film guidelines.
I disagree. The guidelines only suggest CBS will not object if you follow them. James, or any CBS licensee would be free to do as they wish, however that safe harbour would no longer apply. CBS may or may not object, though I doubt James, or anyone else, is all that likely to push their luck.
The end result is pretty much the same. Though it's worth noting that Vic Mignogna has continued to work on his production, despite being a voice actor working on a CBS product. Make of that what you will.
Ah, I stand corrected. My apologies, I misread your post.
Vic Mignonga doesn't have anything Star Trek related licensed
Mr. Cawley has a BUSINESS VENTURE (I'm sure he makes some money - read profit off his Star Trek Set Tours) that is OFFICIALLY LICENSED by CBS - I would think that perhaps releasing a fan film wouldn't get him directly sued for it, no.
That said, it could make CBS decide to terminate their current license deal with him immediately, or decide to not renew it at the end of a given term (usually 5 years.)
^^^
I'm really not trying to put you 'on the spot per se, BUT:
You yourself are a fan film producer (and a good one); but IF you had and accepted an offer from CBS to license some Star Trek related aspect - that you could profit from - would you risk that relationship to release another fan film (even if it meets every other guideline)?
I'd really be interested (if you're willing to go along) with hearing how you'd feel if the above scenario were true.
(And if you'd rather not say, I completely understand.)
STC has wrapped, and is no longer filming new Star Trek. The last two episodes are in the can and set to release later this year. After that, they're done. Mission accomplished.
Vic Mignogna is working on a CBS licensed project though (Star Trek Online) as a voice actor. For the purposes of the guidelines, it doesn't really make much difference. And he continued filming and producing additional episodes after the guidelines dropped. Read that as you may.
To answer your question, no I likely wouldn't continue making fanfilms were I in James' position (thank you for the compliment by the way). Nor am I suggesting James should. My singular point is that the guidelines themselves do not preclude anyone (licensee or not) from making fanfilms. The guidelines simply suggest that such people working on fanfilms will mean those productions will not be protected by the safe harbour implied by said guidelines.
That doesn't mean that individuals may not be able to negotiate something (there's certainly plenty of speculation that Star Trek Continues may have).
Again, I'm not suggesting what James can or should do. Only he knows the terms of his deal with the studio, and it may be they have simply told him not to finish the outstanding episodes. We simply don't know. My point, again, is simply that I do not believe the guidelines alone are the reason for people to stop producing.
Indeed, and we know they wrapped early because of the guidelines. However, as stated above, they did continue to film and produced episodes after the guidelines landed, which didn't seem to preclude Vic working on Star Trek Online.
Have the guidelines made people step back? Yes. But there is nothing legally binding there, and I don't think it benefits any of us when people read more into them than there actually is.
Look, I realise I'm not putting this across well, but essentially what I'm suggesting is that the guidelines themselves are not binding. That said, I also think those who flout them do so at their own risk. And honestly, at the very least, I believe we should respect the wishes of the studio.
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"I believe I speak for all Star Trek fans when I say, 'To Hell with the guidelines.'"
"The word is 'No.' I'm therefore going anyway."Vic Mignogna is working on a CBS licensed project though (Star Trek Online) as a voice actor. For the purposes of the guidelines, it doesn't really make much difference. And he continued filming and producing additional episodes after the guidelines dropped. Read that as you may.
To answer your question, no I likely wouldn't continue making fanfilms were I in James' position (thank you for the compliment by the way). Nor am I suggesting James should. My singular point is that the guidelines themselves do not preclude anyone (licensee or not) from making fanfilms. The guidelines simply suggest that such people working on fanfilms will mean those productions will not be protected by the safe harbour implied by said guidelines.
That doesn't mean that individuals may not be able to negotiate something (there's certainly plenty of speculation that Star Trek Continues may have).
Again, I'm not suggesting what James can or should do. Only he knows the terms of his deal with the studio, and it may be they have simply told him not to finish the outstanding episodes. We simply don't know. My point, again, is simply that I do not believe the guidelines alone are the reason for people to stop producing.
Indeed, and we know they wrapped early because of the guidelines. However, as stated above, they did continue to film and produced episodes after the guidelines landed, which didn't seem to preclude Vic working on Star Trek Online.
Have the guidelines made people step back? Yes. But there is nothing legally binding there, and I don't think it benefits any of us when people read more into them than there actually is.
Look, I realise I'm not putting this across well, but essentially what I'm suggesting is that the guidelines themselves are not binding. That said, I also think those who flout them do so at their own risk. And honestly, at the very least, I believe we should respect the wishes of the studio.
No, you really don’t.
NOBODY speaks for all Star Trek fans, I can speak for myself thank you very much. There's a lort of the guidelines I don't like but I'm not campaigning against them
I believe I now know how Dr. McCoy felt at General Chang's incessant quoting of Shakespeare.
You do NOT speak for Potemkin Pictures, its various casts and crews, nor its senior officials, including myself. Please do not make such an arrogant presumption again.
I am sorry I do not recognize your name, what production group are you with ? ( being serious)
Oh I got that alright.
I think we all did.
