Welsh.
Torchwood:MD 4x08-End of the Road
- Thread starter Snick27
- Start date
To be fair, constantly dwelling on Gwen being Welsh is only done in Miracle Day, and in episodes written by Americans. Prior to Miracle Day, there was exactly one joke about Gwen being Welsh, though it was in an RTD episode.
Also the latest Welsh joke was at the expense of a new character who wasn't familiar with Gwen.
^^Actually, I was under the impression that John de Lancie knew she was Welsh and intentionally called her English knowing it would upset her.
That is possible.
Bam! Spot on!
I don't know about that but it is generating some fun internet rants.
I completely lost interest in Jilly once she told Oswald that she can't stand him. I liked her better in the beginning as the amoral publicist (back when I thought she was an alien).
I did like Jilly's line, "Television loves you. There's a difference."
And agreed that that was the most unprofessional professional sex worker I've ever seen.
And what is up with tiny, unarmed women in vulnerable situations antagonizing large, powerful, possibly armed, possibly crazy men? First you had Vera's ill-timed berating of Maloney in "The Categories of Life." Now we've got hobbit-scale whore emasculating a known murderer while he's between her & the door. The fact that she survived this encounter is its own miracle right there.
"Miracle Day" began as a very interesting science fiction examination of what would happen to society if this really happened. Then, right around the time Vera died at the end of "The Categories of Life," it completely ran out of things to say. Since then, all we've gotten is a couple really weak filler episodes--"The Middle Men" & "End of the Road"--and one Jack backstory episode--"Immortal Sins"--which probably won't add up to much since Angelo died without saying a word.
I also agree that most of these guest stars don't seem to add up to much. I really expected a lot more out of people like Ernie Hudson & Nana Visitor. I'm even starting to worry that Oswald's storyline will end without any decent resolution. They just can't seem to keep anyone around long enough to matter. Now, it's possible that the last 2 episodes will somehow brilliantly tie everything together and make it seem like a cogent whole. But I doubt it. (RTD couldn't even resolve all of the mysteries he introduced in "The End of Time" and that was only 2 episodes long.)
Part of it is that the story just doesn't have any urgency. Two episodes before the end, "Children of Earth" started really ratcheting up the tension to the point where I was shaking with anticipation at where this was going. But two episodes prior to the end of "Miracle Day," I find myself caring less than ever.
So 2 episodes left and still very little has happened.
Still at least John Delancie was awesome. I rewatched Utopia last night and Jack said he first realised he was immortal when he got shot in 1929 Ellis Island.
Was that where he got shot in last weeks episode?
Still at least John Delancie was awesome. I rewatched Utopia last night and Jack said he first realised he was immortal when he got shot in 1929 Ellis Island.
Was that where he got shot in last weeks episode?
Did he say 1929? I thought given he was sent back to the 19th Century that he knew he was immortal much sooner?
I think I'd concur with what a few people have said, this show is terrible, yet strangely enjoyable at the same time, and frankly I still think it's better than Series 1.
I can't concur with anyone who thinks this is better than CoE, or that CoE was shite, it's probably the best thing RTD's been involved in (remember he didn't write all of it) and is light years ahead of any other Torchwood series.
That said I'm now getting tired of RTD's "We'll all go Nazi in a crisis!" trope. Looks like next week we're going to be hit over the head with it again!
I think I'd concur with what a few people have said, this show is terrible, yet strangely enjoyable at the same time, and frankly I still think it's better than Series 1.
I can't concur with anyone who thinks this is better than CoE, or that CoE was shite, it's probably the best thing RTD's been involved in (remember he didn't write all of it) and is light years ahead of any other Torchwood series.
That said I'm now getting tired of RTD's "We'll all go Nazi in a crisis!" trope. Looks like next week we're going to be hit over the head with it again!
It was an interesting episode and I was completely wrongfooted. Biggest criticism is that I couldn't understand why Nana Visitor's character felt the need to resort to kidnapping...
CoE wasn't just the best thing RTD has done it was one of the best sci fi shows I've seen for years. It was totally channelling Quantermass to great effect.
CoE wasn't just the best thing RTD has done it was one of the best sci fi shows I've seen for years. It was totally channelling Quantermass to great effect.
@The Borgified Corpse. Jilly has always despised Oswald. Her outburst in this episode was really the end of her tolerance of working for him. She stated right from the start that she didn't like him and it was purely a business relationship.
Quoted for truth!
^Agreed.
Nice to see Bill Pullman back, John DeLancie totally stole the show though! He livened it up more in his first five minutes than anything else has managed for the whole season!
Pretty obvious cliffhanger though..
Pretty obvious cliffhanger though..
Yeah, which is why I liked the outburst. There was a sort of glee with the way she acted.
^ Agree. Lauren's been great in the series.
Agree with both of these - COE was brilliant, up there with stuff like The Wire. And the "humans become Nazis when things get tough," while true to some extent, has been sledgehammered beyond my ability to take seriously already this season, without the need for it again next week... (or indeed this week, with Category Zero undesirables)
Yet another episode were the plot inches forward, 8 episodes in I would have expected a bit more development. Still it could mean the last 2 episodes could be quite fast paced. That's my biggest issue with TW: MD it's moving too slowly plot wise, at times there seems to be a little too much padding.
the spoiler-free reviews of next week's episode seem to suggest it totally ignores developments and is off doing its own thing!
Similar threads
